My Issues with Windows 7

1Bowtie · 06 Feb 2010

Barman58 said:

One thing to remember about the UI design for win7 is that it is built to support multi-touch. Because of this, the icons and spacings have increased to make this possible, this is. as I understand. it the reason for the change in the system tray behaviour and other things.

Yes I agree that it would be nice for everything from previous Windows versions to be available as an option for those that use it, but I realise and accept that this is not practical. Microsoft did extensive testing of what was actually used across the whole user base and have retained the functionality that will be used by the majority of users.

If all the possible things used by every possible user would use is retained then you would need a 200GB drive for the OS alone, and as, bloat was one of the many things slated with Vista I can understand why Microsoft had to make the decisions they did.

If a missing functionality or it's implementation is a major issue for a user they have three options

Swallow their dislike and learn to use the new system
Find a 3rd party solution to the issue
Return to, or stay with, their previous operating system

Windows 7 is not perfect, no system that is designed to meet the needs of so many people, with different needs could ever be, but comparing it with XP or Vista at the same stage of development I personally believe that it deserves the praise it has received.

+1 After 9 pages you i hope put it to rest

BunBun · 06 Feb 2010

Again to lazy to quote.

Boot times its important to myself then others. Some may not mind that there computer takes a minute to boot up where as anything substantially longer then 30 seconds and I am going to prefer sleep over shutting down which restarting is preferable to sleeping. So yes I prefer sub 30 second start up times so that I dont have to rely on sleep. Yes I know I can get this down with a SSD drive (and I do intend on buying one soon) but I shouldn't have to in order to get acceptable boot times considering how much faster HDD's are now and I would rather of SSD's improve my boot times beyond that of what XP was instead of giving me the same user experience.

I guess overall my point is in order to maintain the same level of user experience in terms of speed and productivity constant hardware upgrades is necessary and I already upgrade my computer way more then the general user base so being that I am already experience this then how is everyone else? Better hardware should increase the user experience not maintain it.

I don't agree with dropping the ability to make it look like classic windows. Well I agree and I don't. There has to be a line drawn somewhere but they drew the line way to near.

Also if that is true about the multi touch thing then once again I am having my desktop experience dictated by a bunch of stupid media/entertainment crap. No one doing anything for productivity purposes uses a touchpad. Now I know exactly what i am going straight to microsoft with.

1. An option to customize the OS with one click without multi touch provisions in spacing.
2. More customizability in dialog/notification boxes and status bars as well as many other general UI elements (see classic shell)
3. More options to how the notification area is displayed, specifically an option to restore the way they were shown to the left vs a new window and a way to specifiy there order.

Anyone know of any good tweaking guides for Windows 7 to help cut down on its bulk of useless features? I have already gone through task scheduler and the turn off windows features thing.

Tepid · 06 Feb 2010

1Bowtie said:

Barman58 said:

One thing to remember about the UI design for win7 is that it is built to support multi-touch. Because of this, the icons and spacings have increased to make this possible, this is. as I understand. it the reason for the change in the system tray behaviour and other things.

Yes I agree that it would be nice for everything from previous Windows versions to be available as an option for those that use it, but I realise and accept that this is not practical. Microsoft did extensive testing of what was actually used across the whole user base and have retained the functionality that will be used by the majority of users.

If all the possible things used by every possible user would use is retained then you would need a 200GB drive for the OS alone, and as, bloat was one of the many things slated with Vista I can understand why Microsoft had to make the decisions they did.

If a missing functionality or it's implementation is a major issue for a user they have three options

Swallow their dislike and learn to use the new system
Find a 3rd party solution to the issue
Return to, or stay with, their previous operating system

Windows 7 is not perfect, no system that is designed to meet the needs of so many people, with different needs could ever be, but comparing it with XP or Vista at the same stage of development I personally believe that it deserves the praise it has received.

+1 After 9 pages you i hope put it to rest

I second this.

zzz2496 · 06 Feb 2010

Tepid said:

1Bowtie said:

Barman58 said:

One thing to remember about the UI design for win7 is that it is built to support multi-touch. Because of this, the icons and spacings have increased to make this possible, this is. as I understand. it the reason for the change in the system tray behaviour and other things.

Yes I agree that it would be nice for everything from previous Windows versions to be available as an option for those that use it, but I realise and accept that this is not practical. Microsoft did extensive testing of what was actually used across the whole user base and have retained the functionality that will be used by the majority of users.

If all the possible things used by every possible user would use is retained then you would need a 200GB drive for the OS alone, and as, bloat was one of the many things slated with Vista I can understand why Microsoft had to make the decisions they did.

If a missing functionality or it's implementation is a major issue for a user they have three options

Swallow their dislike and learn to use the new system
Find a 3rd party solution to the issue
Return to, or stay with, their previous operating system

Windows 7 is not perfect, no system that is designed to meet the needs of so many people, with different needs could ever be, but comparing it with XP or Vista at the same stage of development I personally believe that it deserves the praise it has received.

+1 After 9 pages you i hope put it to rest

I second this.

+99999 from me

wysiwyg · 07 Feb 2010

I think BunBun should change his name to Don Quixote, his fallacious arguements are like tilting at windmils to destroy imaginary dragons.

zzz2496 · 07 Feb 2010

wysiwyg said:

I think BunBun should change his name to Don Quixote, his fallacious arguements are like tilting at windmils to destroy imaginary dragons.

Though I agree with Barman58, I respect different views, BunBun has his own issues with Windows 7, I do too but I don't make a fuss out of my issues, nor I make a fuss with BunBun's issues, we can't just flame people because they have different views than us, unless they impolitely flame you in the face...

zzz2496

pasquanel · 08 Feb 2010

BunBun said:

Again to lazy to quote.

Anyone know of any good tweaking guides for Windows 7 to help cut down on its bulk of useless features? I have already gone through task scheduler and the turn off windows features thing.

Try Black Vipers site if it ca be tweaked he's done it.Black Viper's Web Site

BunBun · 08 Feb 2010

pasquanel said:

BunBun said:

Again to lazy to quote.

Anyone know of any good tweaking guides for Windows 7 to help cut down on its bulk of useless features? I have already gone through task scheduler and the turn off windows features thing.

Try Black Vipers site if it ca be tweaked he's done it.Black Viper's Web Site

Right, fogot about that one. Thanks.

I got my boot memory usage down to about 820mb. Not to shabby. Fastest restart i've recorded is 74s but that was before I got memory down to 820mb as well.

I had it down to 710mb one boot but realized I had a dependency disabled that disabled a bunch of services including audio lol.

sandman · 08 Feb 2010

I built a system for my brother-in-law and he is one that always has to have things tweaked his way, were i do some adjusting but not like he does, one thing we always do is enable the hidden Admin account from the start and us it instead of the one that is created when you install the operating system. I have tested and used from the first beta's of Vista and also the Windows 7 beta's and like them both but the 7 is the best by far in my opinion. Enjoy and happy tweaking.

Wishmaster · 08 Feb 2010

Ive found for the most part, disabling services etc does nothing more than break how things were intended to run ... as they are all tied together in way way or another. With a very few exceptions.

Unless your struggling with hardware that barely capable, best to leave it alone.

Some programs want a Pagefile. So disabling can cause issues regardless of how much RAM. Even with 8GB+ a small one 512MB or so is a good idea.

Too much tweaking also tend to hurt more than help.

Perhaps Im wrong, i dunno ... but ive never done all this stuff and have had no issues at all. Win 7 has always been stable, fast , and smooth for me.

Quite simply, Win7 with a Quad and plenty of RAM will be good to you leaving things as they are.
Not to mention, provided you have sufgfecient RAm for Win7 (4GB or more) trying to reduce the amount of RAM used is completely defeating the
purpose and counter productive.

One of the things that makes 7 faster and smoother is its ability to manage and use memory effectively. stopping it from doing so is hurting more than helping.

Why have 4GB + of RAM and tell the OS ... Dont use it.