My Issues with Windows 7

CarlTR6 · 09 Feb 2010

Lee said:

Mods it would appear that this is getting out of control. It would appear that this is generating into name calling. Please, Please end this post.

Lee, rather than close the thread, why not simply admonish offenders (if any) of the TOS/TOU? The thread has useful information. I would not have delved into the services so deeply if it were not for this thread; and I learned from doing so.

BunBun · 09 Feb 2010

CarlTR6 said:

Lee said:

Mods it would appear that this is getting out of control. It would appear that this is generating into name calling. Please, Please end this post.

Lee, rather than close the thread, why not simply admonish offenders (if any) of the TOS/TOU? The thread has useful information. I would not have delved into the services so deeply if it were not for this thread; and I learned from doing so.

I agree, there are only a few who are crapping in this thread that have not contributed to the discussion that could have their posts deleted.

And thank you, it was my intent that this thread bring out that which is hidden by the aparrent, for the lack of a better word, fanboyism that goes on around Windows 7 discussions. There is absolutely no reason that someone's computer should not behave the way they want/expect it to with at least some amount of control.

And I agree 7 does handle services a lot better. Most are manual started and the OS does a good job of terminating them when they are no longer needed. It is why I am having a hard time find where all this RAM is going. The kernel is actually useing a surprisingly small amount of memory...

zzz2496 · 09 Feb 2010

CarlTR6 said:

I went through Black Viper's services list last night item by item. What I discovered is that Windows 7 has done a really good job with the services. The improvement over XP is like comparing a Porsche to a Model A. Since I never used Vista, I can't comment on the improvement in services over Vista; although Black Viper makes several comments on the improvement.

For the most part Windows 7 has only absolutely essential services in automatic. Some services that are needed only briefly or sporadically start and stop themselves from the manual setting.

Some services can be disabled - about six of them for me - depending on whether you are using a wireless connection and a hardware firewall or a modem without a router. There are a few other services that can be disabled if your computer is a standalone and you are not using a homegroup. For those that are extra security conscious, there are two or three services than can be disabled.

Windows 7 has made really good use of the manual setting and has very few services running that are not essential.

Although I did tweak my services, the gain is minuscule. Windows 7 really has the services thing streamlined and efficient from this non-geek's point of view.

Agreed 1000% Services in 7 in default install IS VERY EFFICIENT (IMHO), my god, finally Microsoft did something right these days :) Though I do have several other services to be switched off (4 in my case), it doesn't really change a lot... Which is VERY GOOD :) Now if only I can make the search work again...

CarlTR6 said:

Lee said:

Mods it would appear that this is getting out of control. It would appear that this is generating into name calling. Please, Please end this post.

Lee, rather than close the thread, why not simply admonish offenders (if any) of the TOS/TOU? The thread has useful information. I would not have delved into the services so deeply if it were not for this thread; and I learned from doing so.

Agreed, this thread HAVE SO MUCH INFO, too bad if you close it... some may express their mind a bit to the "extreme" side, but that's how some people are...

zzz2496

Barman58 · 09 Feb 2010

One thing to add on the subject of services. if you feel that you can run without a service I would strongly advise that you select the "Manual" setting rather than disable it.

Also make a written note of all changes you make and the order you perform them.

I have in the past wasted valuable time on clients machines where new software or hardware had been added and caused issues by the required services having been disabled. A Service set to manual will cause no issue but if required should then start and prevent problems.

Also the documentation of what changes are made and in what order will help no end if you need to re-apply changes or re-set parameters.

BunBun · 09 Feb 2010

Very good advice Barman... and also something I am very negligent in lol.

chrysalis · 09 Feb 2010

how did you manage to install to an external hdd?

when I was upgrading the RC to RTM on my laptop I wanted to test it first so attempted to install to a external drive connected via usb but the setup program refused saying usb drives cannot be used as system drives.

Merlin2000 · 09 Feb 2010

chrysalis said:

how did you manage to install to an external hdd?

when I was upgrading the RC to RTM on my laptop I wanted to test it first so attempted to install to a external drive connected via usb but the setup program refused saying usb drives cannot be used as system drives.

- An "external" drive connected via eSATA, is not the same as an external USB drive.

The difference is that the eSATA drive is more considered being an internal drive to the system, rather than an external drive. So it's an external internal drive.. See how clear that is?

BunBun · 09 Feb 2010

chrysalis said:

how did you manage to install to an external hdd?

when I was upgrading the RC to RTM on my laptop I wanted to test it first so attempted to install to a external drive connected via usb but the setup program refused saying usb drives cannot be used as system drives.

As merlin said it is a external drive connected via eSata which in my case is nothing more then a bracket with a cable going to an internal header on my mobo. So in otherwide its a internal HDD mounted externally.

I am dissapointed that they wont let you install to a USB device though. I guess its too big of an installation anyway. Would really like to see a mini Win 7 that only takes up a couple gigs and less then 500mb of ram...

chrysalis · 19 Feb 2010

Well I didnt see where said was esata sorry.

The drive I hooked up to the usb was my 640gig which is now my main OS drive in this system.

patio · 19 Feb 2010

Some services can be disabled - about six of them for me - depending on whether you are using a wireless connection and a hardware firewall or a modem without a router. There are a few other services that can be disabled if your computer is a standalone and you are not using a homegroup. For those that are extra security conscious, there are two or three services than can be disabled.

There's quite a few more than 6....