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Windows 7: How to know if your windows 7 is pirated/illegal copy?

24 Feb 2010   #21
Lordbob75

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, Mint 9
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by win7 View Post
IMO having the physical media and a product key is the only sure way of telling. And the only time you could possibly be unsure is if you have brought a second hand machine and not recieved the Windows 7 DVD.

There is no reason why "a friend should be giving you a copy" etc etc...
Downloading it from TechNet (like me) or MSDNAA would also be legitimate.

On the other hand, we should still always assume it is legit, unless it is obviously not.

On the 'borrowing' part: borrowing a copy of the CD is fine to install, as long as they have their own key...

~Lordbob


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24 Feb 2010   #22
gregrocker

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lordbob75 View Post
assume it is legit, unless it is obviously not.

On the 'borrowing' part: borrowing a copy of the CD is fine to install, as long as they have their own key...

~Lordbob
Agree. Most tech enthusiasts need to find a clean-copy installer starting with Vista as maker's started refusing to provided them to enforce sponsor's bloatware which may provide their only profit margin.

As long as they are using their own Product Key from COA then we should be helpful since the goal is to have the cleanest possible install without bloatware corruption, and a clean reinstall is often the only way to achieve this.
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24 Feb 2010   #23
win7

Windows 7 Enterprise SP1 x64 Windows 8 Enterprise RTM x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lordbob75 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by win7 View Post
IMO having the physical media and a product key is the only sure way of telling. And the only time you could possibly be unsure is if you have brought a second hand machine and not recieved the Windows 7 DVD.

There is no reason why "a friend should be giving you a copy" etc etc...
Downloading it from TechNet (like me) or MSDNAA would also be legitimate.

On the other hand, we should still always assume it is legit, unless it is obviously not.

On the 'borrowing' part: borrowing a copy of the CD is fine to install, as long as they have their own key...

~Lordbob
True but if your downloading from TechNet, MSDAAA, etc.. you would know it was legit..... If borrowing a copy (cos your disc is scratched or whatever) and having your own key you would also know its legit.

But how could we tell truely if a copy was legit with no media/dvd/key on a second hand machine... if the copy was pirated, and the said copy appeared genuine in all the tests, how would we then tell??
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25 Feb 2010   #24
Thorsen

Win7 Home Premium 64x
 
 

You can try and run MS update checker on the pc. It will test the system key that is currently installed and either check for updates or warn you that you are using an in-valid copy.

You can also use a 3rd party program to see what the key is on the computer. Its stored in the registry or something. and compare it to the sticker on the box. if they match and the update thing doesn't warn you then you should be good to go.

I don't think I am allowed to post the name of the key checker here and I don't know if it works with win7. there should be one already though.....
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25 Feb 2010   #25
severedsolo

Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Thorsen View Post
You can try and run MS update checker on the pc. It will test the system key that is currently installed and either check for updates or warn you that you are using an in-valid copy.
the current crop of "hacks" fool windows and MS update into thinking its genuine.... suffice to say i wont say how its done but its done at the very basic level and is coded in exactly the same way as an OEM "genuine" check is done, its (virtually) undetectable if preinstalled on a machine, it certainly fools WGA and MS update.... this has been around since vista and i know people who are still using it on 7, and it works....


Note   Note
my copy IS genuine, just saying this on the grounds of discussion
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25 Feb 2010   #26
gregrocker

 

So do you think the Update MS is pushing through this week will detect these clever activation exploits you describe?

I believe you are referring to Vista boot loader. As it is done at the BIOS level it makes it harder to "come clean" by inserting a retail key into such a hactivated OS. Even wiping the HD is not sufficient. I believe you must use the hacker's own removal tool to clean it up.

Perhaps the mods will allow discussion of exactly how to easily remove these hacks as there are regularly those who want to come clean with their hacktivations and it is hard to help them since changing to a retail key or even wiping the HD apparently isn't enough.
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25 Feb 2010   #27
Thorsen

Win7 Home Premium 64x
 
 

wow thanks for info serverdsolo I haven't used or needed these hacks either, but that is an excellent correction to my post. Thanks

I would say that the sticker on bottom is still a good way of telling. hmmm otherwise reinstall OS? lol
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25 Feb 2010   #28
Thorsen

Win7 Home Premium 64x
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
So do you think the Update MS is pushing through this week will detect these clever activation exploits you describe?

I believe you are referring to Vista boot loader. As it is done at the BIOS level it makes it harder to "come clean" by inserting a retail key into such a hactivated OS. Even wiping the HD is not sufficient. I believe you must use the hacker's own removal tool to clean it up.

Perhaps the mods will allow discussion of exactly how to easily remove these hacks as there are regularly those who want to come clean with their hacktivations and it is hard to help them since even wiping the HD apparently isn't enough.
Maybe flashing the BIOS would correct it.
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25 Feb 2010   #29
severedsolo

Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1
 
 

@gregrocker i honestly dont know, i am not Microsoft, i cant believe they are unaware of the bootloader (its actually a slightly different variant with Win 7 but its the same basic principle) removing the "hacktivation" with this method (with the most well known one anyway) is as simple as hitting the "uninstall" button, i would almost be willing to lay money on the fact that people who have used at least one certain win7 loader will not be hit by this, as it slightly randomises it to make it "look" more genuine im guessing that MS will be looking for "clones"

out of interest (iv been out of the loop my broadband only came back today) is the update actually out yet?
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25 Feb 2010   #30
gregrocker

 

Yes, arrived and installed on all of our computers here in the past two days:

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I admire the fact that MS is so up-front and (overly?) sensitive to privacy advocates who claim this is spyware since it will run regularly every 90 days. They could take a much heavier hand with piracy.

It may also be because they are sorting out who is afraid of it and who isn't.


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