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Windows 7: getting tired of all the frantic downloads of builds

18 Apr 2009   #1
Howdr

Win 7 7100
 
 
getting tired of all the frantic downloads of builds

Too many people have no understanding of the builds:

Build History

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All the leaked builds that have come since that 2007 build show a clear history of development in the winmain line:
6519.1.winmain.071220-1525
6589.1.winmain_win7m2.080420-1634
6780.0.winmain_win7m3.080829-1900
6801.0.winmain_win7m3.080913-2030
6936.0.winmain.081023-1800
6956.0.winmain.081122-1150
7000.0.winmain_win7beta.081212-1400
7022.0.winmain.090115-1850
7048.0.winmain.090219-1845
7057.0.winmain.090305-2000
7068.0.winmain.090321-1322
You’ll notice that I haven’t included build 7106 or build 7077, as this is where the circumstances surrounding the Winmain trunk have dramatically changed.
Entering code escrow

“Code escrow” refers to a phase in a product’s development when additions or modifications to the project’s appearance and functionality is halted. Developers will then be tasked with eliminating bugs in the code until the team is satisfied that it can be shipped to manufacturing (RTM) to create retails discs.
Windows 7 entered its code escrow phase with build 7077. The Windows 7 that you see on shelves at the end of the year will look and function exactly as it does in build 7077, but stomping bugs and creating a polished product is more critical than ever.
Branching Windows 7

You have undoubtedly noticed that all the builds up until this point have come from the 70xx.0.winmain line, so you’re wondering where this 7106 build came from, and you’re probably wondering if it’s better than 7077. Here’s the hard fact: It’s not.
When a project enters the code escrow phase, a development team can no longer afford to experiment with code changes when they only have one copy of the code (the winmain trunk). Bug fixes are not guaranteed to fix a bug, and they’re perfectly capable of spawning their own problems. So if Microsoft can’t afford to experiment with bug fixes on the winmain line, what can it do? It branches the code base.
A branch is a body of code created as an offshoot from the trunk of the development tree. This is different from a fork where the new project follows its own development path and may end up entirely different from the results of trunk development.
As a result Microsoft branching the Windows 7 project, it now has two parallel developments:
winmain_win7rc (Windows 7 build 70xx)
winmain (Windows 7 build 71xx)
How the Windows 7 branch operates

As Microsoft prepared to lock the project into code escrow phase, the team needed some way to signify that the Windows 7 project was entering a significant new phase in the lifetime of its development. Microsoft did this by copying April 1’s build 7075 (7075.0.winmain.090401-1840) into the April 4 milestone build 7105 (7105.0.winmain.090404-1235).
After the introduction of 7075/7105, Microsoft introduced build 7076 (7076.0.winmain.090402-1838) on April 2, 2009. Build 7076 was duplicated into the famous 7106 build (7106.0.winmain.090408-1623) on April 8, 2009. And on April 4, Microsoft entered Code Escrow with build 7077 (7077.0.winmain_win7rc.090404) and signified the new phase by changing winmain to winmain_win7rc. As previously noted, Windows 7 build 71xx kept the winmain title.
Let’s quickly break it down so you can follow along:
Build 7075.winmain (April 1) = 7105.winmain (April 4)
Build 7076.winmain (April 2) = 7106.winmain (April 8)
Build 7077.winmain_win7rc (April 4) = 7107.winmain (April 9)
Why the lag time? The answer is simple: Microsoft is fixing bugs at a rapid clip, and each chunk of bug fixes requires them to spin a new build. Microsoft must thoroughly test this build to make sure that it’s better than the version that preceded it, and that takes a few days. If everything checks out, the changes from the new 70xx build get rolled into the 71xx line a few days later.
All the while, Microsoft will keep copying builds over (7078/7108, 7079/7109 and so on) until the winmain_win7rc line arrives on a build Microsoft feels comfortable introducing as a release candidate. A release candidate represents the build a company could theoretically release as a final product, provided testing didn’t uncover any bugs. But, hell, it’s Windows, and come May we’re going to tear that OS apart and find all sorts of interesting glitches.
Going forward

Once Windows 7 reaches the release candidate build, it’s quite probable that the winmain_win7rc line will be killed off. Microsoft will use the crash and performance telemetry of May’s release candidate to shape the future of the winmain line which now sits under the banner of 71xx. Some people have colloquially called the 71xx builds part of the winmain_win7rtm line, and while it’s not actually true, it’s semantically true.
Once Microsoft has deployed release candidate build 70##.winmain_win7rc.whatever and duplicates that into 71##.winmain.whatever, all future development of Windows 7 will proceed with 71xx builds. We’ll probably see a few leaks along the way, and these 71xx builds will ultimately end at the RTM build which is the copy that gets sent for manufacturing and will sit in boxes on release day.
I hope this has, once and for all, cleared up any prevailing confusion about build 7106/7077 and set the record straight on where Windows 7 is going from here.
This is the problem, 7106 is lower then 7077, 7077 is better and more stable.

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You have undoubtedly noticed that all the builds up until this point have come from the 70xx.0.winmain line, so you’re wondering where this 7106 build came from, and you’re probably wondering if it’s better than 7077. Here’s the hard fact: It’s not.
I'm tired of people thinking there is improvement in these 71xx series, I have read no less than 5 of these articles yet people are like sheep and keep seeking these unstable builds meant to be testing builds for drivers and software, and they can be very unstable, the reason MS does not really want you to have it because we will see negative posts based on these builds you are not supposed to use anyway.

So stop looking for these bogus builds and stick with stable builds to try.


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18 Apr 2009   #2
jfar

Vista Ult64, Win7600
 
 

Thanks ,
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18 Apr 2009   #3
Nikolay

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 | Windows XP Pro x86 | Windows Vista Ultimate x86
 
 

Thanks for clearing up the whole 7077 vs 7106 debate
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18 Apr 2009   #4
Gemini Man

Windows 7 Professional x64 / Ubuntu 9.10
 
 

Thank you for clearing that up.. Since you mentioned that with build 7077 that MS has entered “Code escrow”, does that mean that we won't have any more 70xx builds to try out, or that we will theoretically get to try out build 7079, 7080, etc.? The reason I ask is because you said that the remaining changes were bug fixes, so they would all be 71xx all the way through to the RTM build...right?

Sorry if I'm not following, and thanks for your help.
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18 Apr 2009   #5
Howdr

Win 7 7100
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Gemini Man View Post
Thank you for clearing that up.. Since you mentioned that with build 7077 that MS has entered “Code escrow”, does that mean that we won't have any more 70xx builds to try out, or that we will theoretically get to try out build 7079, 7080, etc.? The reason I ask is because you said that the remaining changes were bug fixes, so they would all be 71xx all the way through to the RTM build...right?

Sorry if I'm not following, and thanks for your help.
Yes I think you have it, That is the way I understand it from the three different articles I read all were the same as above.

the 71XX will be testing the drivers and different software environments.

the 7077 and any after are locked each time now till we see RC1 or RC2?

7077 is RC
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18 Apr 2009   #6
poin2

Windows7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Howdr View Post
Yes I think you have it, That is the way I understand it from the three different articles I read all were the same as above.

the 71XX will be testing the drivers and different software environments.

the 7077 and any after are locked each time now till we see RC1 or RC2?

7077 is RC
Escrow is like a holding pen where something gets thoroughly examined before release. There will be a 70XX build *higher* than 7077 that gets released as the Release Candidate, but its number will get rounded to 7100 for release. 7077 was the first one put in the holding pen, but a few others came in after since 7077 apparently didn't entirely cut it as expected for some reason.

Today's news indicates one of those 70XX builds has indeed been picked to be RC now, but we likely won't know which one -- it will simply come out as 7100.

Everything else MS continues to work on should be in the 71xx line, leading to RTM.
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18 Apr 2009   #7
darkassain

Windows 7 Ult x64(x2), HomePrem x32(x4), Server 08 (+VM), 08 R2 (VM) , SuSe 11.2 (VM), XP 32 (VM)
 
 

7077 is not a the RC but the escrow build which has acknowledged as the escrow (which is not the same as *the* RC)
technically all after the rc branch is frozen *the* RC build (which to me and to most people in this forum 7100) will be compiled and that would be the end of rc line...
this one of the main reasons i believe there has been no talk at all about the 7100 build string which to me (most like all they will do is see which is best candidate for *the* RC status and elevate the build # to 7100)
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18 Apr 2009   #8
johngalt

 

TBH - I wait for the builds to appear on the NGs, by which time someone here has already verified the validity of the original torrent builds. Thus far, I ahve only had one real problematic build, 7057 - the rest have been smooth as silk, and there is a *noticeable difference* between the pre-Beta builds, the Beta build, and the subsequent leaked builds.

I am currently on 7000, on a clean install (64bit) and one an upgrade from a restored-to-factory-settings-Vista Business-laptop - both work like a champ.

The 71xx builds thus far that I have heard referred to scare me - in the sense that if you need to manually install a 'language' pack to make the OS work, then it obviously was not intended to be released into the wild. I don't want to use anything that has been altered from the M$ developers' hands - if it is not good enough for them, it is not good enough for me.
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19 Apr 2009   #9
Howdr

Win 7 7100
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by darkassain View Post
7077 is not a the RC but the escrow build which has acknowledged as the escrow (which is not the same as *the* RC)
technically all after the rc branch is frozen *the* RC build (which to me and to most people in this forum 7100) will be compiled and that would be the end of rc line...
this one of the main reasons i believe there has been no talk at all about the 7100 build string which to me (most like all they will do is see which is best candidate for *the* RC status and elevate the build # to 7100)
I really have to dissagree with you, 7077 is what you will basically see next year.

RC= release candidate right?

Look:

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Build 7077.winmain_win7rc (April 4) = 7107.winmain (April 9)
So if RC= release Candidate and its 7077.winmain_win7rc is it not a RC?

you see all this hype is confusing the issues here, and that is what I'm tired about.
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19 Apr 2009   #10
xan K

Windows 7 x64
 
 

thanks for the info.
the only think I don't like is that MS dropped out the "Guest Mode" aka "PC Safeguard" functionality present in build 7048 and earlier. so it could mean that Guest Mode won't see the light of day in RTM.
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