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Windows 7: Is my C partition and F partition combined?

07 Apr 2010   #51
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

It is, of course, not "neccessary" - but you will learn something. At your tender age one should always learn as much as possible as fast as possible. Even at my age, I still try to do that.


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07 Apr 2010   #52
TheTalker

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
It is, of course, not "neccessary" - but you will learn something. At your tender age one should always learn as much as possible as fast as possible. Even at my age, I still try to do that.
Heh heh, tender age. That made me laugh.

Anyways, back to the matter at hand, if my brother is willing to help me then I'll do a full-blown test doing as you said in your instructions. I do not want to do it without his assistance and I will mess something up doing it alone.

Thank you.
I'm going to bed now, goodnight. Will be back tomorrow.
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07 Apr 2010   #53
not so gray matter

W7 Ult. x64 | OS X
 
 

Ok, most of this has been posted, but there's been some "confusion" with some things so I'll mention it all.

#1 - Accessing an internal drive w/out a operating system on the hard drive
  • If you have two partitions on the same drive and the drive isn't corrupted but the OS is, you can still access the data on the second partition. However, in order to do so you would need to do one of the following things:
#2 - Accessing drives from other computers
  • Your backup harddrive would be easily accesible by another computer using the methods mentioned above. There are some things that could hinder this, but user permissions usually aren't one of them.
    • If the drive is formatted in NTFS, you may not be able to access it on a Mac without special software, and vice versa with HFS+.
    • If you encrypt the drive, the second computer will need decryption software to read it.
    • If you password protect the files/drive you'll need the password to access it.
      (Simply accessing/formatting a drive from a password protected PC does not password protect the drive)
    • If the drive is corrupted, you may need to use a disk manager to repair it.
#3 - Backup Software
  • You shouldn't use any "backup software" unless you have to. It's much better just to manually copy and paste data to the backup hard drive. This way you know exactly what you're placing on the hard drive and where to find it. If you really need constant backups, write/obtain your own scripts with which to backup files. Not only will it save you from running the backup program, but you'll know exactly what is being done.
#4 - Computer Password Protection
  • There is no real reason to remove your password from your account on your computer. This is especially true if you are logged into an Administrator account like most people. Not only does it make your computer more susceptible to attacks, but it also makes it much easier for someone to physically access your computer. (I.E. Wife/Co-Worker/Children/Roommate/ETC)
#5 - Internal vs. External
  • I don't know where this stereotype came from but using an external hard drive for backups is not necessarily the best idea even though it's convenient. External hard drives are known to fail faster than internal drives if they're used as often. This in part due to their casing and the fact that they get moved around a lot. In other words, if you have the space, buy a secondary internal drive instead.
#6 - System Images
  • It's definitely worth it to create a System Image. As mentioned, this will allow you to repair your OS in case of damage without losing preferences/data/time.
#7 - Data Security
  • If you'd like to secure the data on your storage drives, merely using a password is not your best bet. The best thing to do is to use encryption along with passwords or, if you can, use steganography (hidden volumes). You can do these things from programs like TrueCrypt.

Note: If you need a program to manage your partitions Partition Wizard is a good free option.

--Al
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07 Apr 2010   #54
seekermeister

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

notsograymatter,

I agree with most of what you said, except item #3. There is no point in copy/pasting data to another drive, when you can simply set the path of your libraries to that drive in the first place.

As far as I'm concerned. The backup image of C: is only for the purpose of restoring the OS, because everything else is either on another drive or partition. For that reason, a backup image has nothing to do with laziness, it is simply a way to avoid the tedium and time wasted repeating the initial setup.

EDIT: I should have included the time involved in reinstalling some programs, because unless I feel that they might contribute to fragmentation of C: too much, I often install them on C:, because if there were installed elsewhere, they would still have to be reinstalled in this situation to have them registered with the OS. Therefore having them within the image saves more time.
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08 Apr 2010   #55
gregrocker

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by notsograymatter View Post


If you have two partitions on the same drive and the drive isn't corrupted but the OS is, you can still access the data on the second partition. However, in order to do so you would need to do one of the following things:
I suggest reinstalling the OS to access your files on data partition. If you also have files on the irreparable OS you need to retrieve, then use free Partition Wizard CD to shrink the damaged OS, install Win7 in the shrink space or to a new HD, browse into the old OS to retrieve files to copy over to data partition, then use PW to delete old OS and expand new Win7 into the space. I call this "drilling a rescue shaft."

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister View Post
notsograymatter,

I agree with most of what you said, except item #3. There is no point in copy/pasting data to another drive, when you can simply set the path of your libraries to that drive in the first place.
Except to back up files to a secondary, as opposed to an external - same difference.

Here is Brink's tut to change User file locations as am not sure it's been posted here yet: User Folders - Change Default Location
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08 Apr 2010   #56
TheTalker

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

Wow, this is a lot of good information! Thank you everyone.


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by notsograymatter View Post
Ok, most of this has been posted, but there's been some "confusion" with some things so I'll mention it all.

#4 - Computer Password Protection
  • There is no real reason to remove your password from your account on your computer. This is especially true if you are logged into an Administrator account like most people. Not only does it make your computer more susceptible to attacks, but it also makes it much easier for someone to physically access your computer. (I.E. Wife/Co-Worker/Children/Roommate/ETC)
--Al
I actually only have one question at the moment. I already removed the password. I figured it's not really that important to have since I can trust my family to not touch my computer.

But you also said, "Not only does it make your computer more susceptible to attacks", etc, etc. So, my computer should be password protected to not only keep it safe from family members/friends/etc but also to keep me safe from attacks such as viruses and stuff?

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
I suggest reinstalling the OS to access your files on data partition. If you also have files on the irreparable OS you need to retrieve, then use free Partition Wizard CD to shrink the damaged OS, install Win7 in the shrink space or to a new HD, browse into the old OS to retrieve files to copy over to data partition, then use PW to delete old OS and expand new Win7 into the space. I call this "drilling a rescue shaft."
It sounds complicated but a good idea. Maybe my brother knows how to do that.

Thank you everyone for the information!
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08 Apr 2010   #57
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Quote:
But you also said, "Not only does it make your computer more susceptible to attacks", etc, etc. So, my computer should be password protected to not only keep it safe from family members/friends/etc but also to keep me safe from attacks such as viruses and stuff?
I would not worry about it. I have never used a password in my life and all my systems are alive. If something happens, go back to the last image.
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08 Apr 2010   #58
TheTalker

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
Quote:
But you also said, "Not only does it make your computer more susceptible to attacks", etc, etc. So, my computer should be password protected to not only keep it safe from family members/friends/etc but also to keep me safe from attacks such as viruses and stuff?
I would not worry about it. I have never used a password in my life and all my systems are alive. If something happens, go back to the last image.
Okay, thank you very much for putting my mind at peace!
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08 Apr 2010   #59
seekermeister

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

I have always passworded my computers, even though no one normally has access to them accept me. The one time that I didn't was with a computer that I had when I had a stroke and got evicted from my home, and wasn't allowed to remove the computer. My personal belongings were left in the house when it was resold, supposedly to be stored until I later removed them. When I was finally able to try to do so, and I met with the new owner, he claimed that house was broke into, and the computer, TV and window AC/heat were stolen. It might not have prevented the PC from being stolen anyway, but if it had been passworded, maybe the new owners (who I believe were the thieves) wouldn't have been so tempted to take it. The moral of this is that someone that you don't expect, may access your computer if it is easy.
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08 Apr 2010   #60
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister View Post
I have always passworded my computers, even though no one normally has access to them accept me. The one time that I didn't was with a computer that I had when I had a stroke and got evicted from my home, and wasn't allowed to remove the computer. My personal belongings were left in the house when it was resold, supposedly to be stored until I later removed them. When I was finally able to try to do so, and I met with the new owner, he claimed that house was broke into, and the computer, TV and window AC/heat were stolen. It might not have prevented the PC from being stolen anyway, but if it had been passworded, maybe the new owners (who I believe were the thieves) wouldn't have been so tempted to take it. The moral of this is that someone that you don't expect, may access your computer if it is easy.
You live in a bad area. Move to the other side of the tracks - LOL.
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