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Windows 7: Full access to all folders/directories

31 May 2010   #11
Puddin Man

Win7 Home Prem. 64 OEM
 
 

Lordbob75 recently ranted:
>Ok....
>Puddin. THIS IS NOT WINDOWS 2K.
>Period. End of discussion.

>That location DOES NOT EXIST in Windows 7.

>You may have been a system admin for a career, for 10 years, 5 years, 50 years, it doesn't matter. This is a different OS, with different rules.

>DO NOT come here asking for help, then tell us we are wrong because you are a "System Admin". ...

What can one infer from a rather vicious defense presented against a threat that was never made?

I mentioned admin only to suggest that I am a responsible and competent user.
Microsoft and the "7 Gurus" seem to have a propensity for assuming the opposite.

"I bow to your Prescience and Far Superior Intelligence."

Why, I'll bet that y'all could divine "The Secret Of The Universe" from a mere gooseberry!!

P


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31 May 2010   #12
derekimo

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Win 10 Pro x64
 
 

Since you can't seem to get the answers you want, have a look at the bottom of this page for similar threads, you may find it there.
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31 May 2010   #13
Bare Foot Kid
Microsoft MVP

W 7 64-bit Ultimate
 
 

Some of us have been using this OS going on 2 years.
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31 May 2010   #14
Lordbob75

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, Mint 9
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Puddin Man View Post
Lordbob75 recently ranted: [...]
What can one infer from a rather vicious defense presented against a threat that was never made?

I mentioned admin only to suggest that I am a responsible and competent user.
Microsoft and the "7 Gurus" seem to have a propensity for assuming the opposite.

"I bow to your Prescience and Far Superior Intelligence."

Why, I'll bet that y'all could divine "The Secret Of The Universe" from a mere gooseberry!!

P
In case you didn't notice at the bottom of my post, I asked what you were attempting to do. We might be able to help you more if you provide more information.
Frankly, the folder you mentioned DOES NOT EXIST.

Secondly, if one member says something you don't agree with you cannot just assume that all of us are of the same mentality.

I am out with this thread, good luck with Windows 7.
Though you might be best going back to 2k.

~Lordbob
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31 May 2010   #15
CarlTR6

Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit
 
 

Puddin Man, I came to Win 7 from XP; I skipped Vista. I came to this forum with the very same questions you have. I found the answers reading tutorials and reading other threads on the subject.

Along the way I learned several things about Windows 7 and its security measures.

1. There is no wide open administrator account such as there was in XP and 2000. Even the hidden administrator account is limited.

2. Win 7 adds a lot more protection to system files and folders by making them inaccessible to users, even to the admin account.

3. As an administrator, you can do anything in Win 7 that you can do as an administrator in XP or 2000 - if you know how. That means you have to buy a good book or two on Win 7 and study it.

4. One does not want to mess with permissions of or take ownership of system files and folders. There are a few exceptions to this. Changing permissions for these files and folders can come back to bite you - don't ask how I know.

This was all done deliberately by the programmers to eliminate or reduce the vulnerabilities that XP is infamous for. And it works and works well.

Learn about juction points - what they are and why they are there.

Once you begin to understand the Win 7 system, I believe you will really like it. It is an entirely new OS. There are a few things the still frustrate me from time to time. But I do understand the reasons for most of them and I believe the reasoning is sound.
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31 May 2010   #16
rvbfan

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 

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01 Jun 2010   #17
Puddin Man

Win7 Home Prem. 64 OEM
 
 

>
>Puddin Man, I came to Win 7 from XP; I skipped Vista. I came to this forum with the very same questions you have. I found the answers reading tutorials and reading other threads on the subject.
>
>Along the way I learned several things about Windows 7 and its security measures.
>
>1. There is no wide open administrator account such as there was in XP and 2000. Even the hidden administrator account is limited.

So I've discovered.

>2. Win 7 adds a lot more protection to system files and folders by making them inaccessible to users, even to the admin account.

So I've discovered.

>3. As an administrator, you can do anything in Win 7 that you can do as an administrator in XP or 2000 - if you know how. That means you have to buy a good book or two on Win 7 and study it.

1.) You have to accept "The Microsofty Way".
2.) You have to waste time. And waste time. And waste time. And ...

>4. One does not want to mess with permissions of or take ownership of system files and folders. There are a few exceptions to this. Changing permissions for these files and folders can come back to bite you - don't ask how I know.

Don't need to ask. Had such experience many years ago.

>This was all done deliberately by the programmers to eliminate or reduce the vulnerabilities that XP is infamous for. And it works and works well.

For "The Microsofty Culture", perhaps.

I believe in certain basic principles of responsible computing management, etc that are applicable to all hardware/software systems.

Microsoft would have me violate them. They have determined that idiot-proofing systems is the way to go. I don't think it can be effectively done. It is a hideous waste of time for some.

A good example of "violation" can be found in Corrines response in MSE . I should connect my new system to the internet without MSE, potentially infecting it, so Microsoft can do an unnecessary validation. Insane!!

If you are happy with the insanity that MS has engineered into their systems,
more power to you. I see another vision.

>Learn about juction points - what they are and why they are there.

They are an unnecessary level of abstraction. To the extent that I run Win7, I will deal with them.

>Once you begin to understand the Win 7 system, I believe you will really like it. It is an entirely new OS. There are a few things the still frustrate me from time to time. But I do understand the reasons for most of them and I believe the reasoning is sound.

Methinks that much of Win7 constitutes mutant software engineering. MS knows they can get away with it (with "The Microsofty Culture"), so they slam it down your throat.

Win7 has some interesting features aside from the idiot-proofing. I will explore it.

Cheers,
P
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01 Jun 2010   #18
Bare Foot Kid
Microsoft MVP

W 7 64-bit Ultimate
 
 

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01 Jun 2010   #19
Teerex

Windows 7 x64 Ultimate SP1
 
 

Puddin Man, Windows Seven has an overarching mission to be more secure to run than its Win32 predecessors, given how widespread Win32 is. If you are a hich-tech user, there are of course other OSs which will test your limits. Windows 7 is not one of them. By the way, this is the first time I've heard of a 'system admin' cursing a client OS. Server aand VM should be your thing. Client is designed to be usable for a common, low tech user.

The instructions Corrine posted were probably copied from an article describing this procedure foer Windows XP. She probably forgot to see that they should be adapted.

Finally, MSE is free to download and install, but if Microsoft expects that their OS will be run properly activated, and will provide support and added benefits only to legally activated systems, I doubt that that second MSE requires to check that condition should trouble a legitimate user.
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01 Jun 2010   #20
CarlTR6

Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Puddin Man View Post
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>3. As an administrator, you can do anything in Win 7 that you can do as an administrator in XP or 2000 - if you know how. That means you have to buy a good book or two on Win 7 and study it.

1.) You have to accept "The Microsofty Way".
2.) You have to waste time. And waste time. And waste time. And ...
Well, since it is a Microsoft OS, it is only logical that it runs the "Microsofty" way and if you choose to use it, you use it the "Microsfty" way just as you would use a Mac the "Appley" way.

Quote:
>This was all done deliberately by the programmers to eliminate or reduce the vulnerabilities that XP is infamous for. And it works and works well.

For "The Microsofty Culture", perhaps.
Again, it is a Microsoft OS.

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I believe in certain basic principles of responsible computing management, etc that are applicable to all hardware/software systems.

Microsoft would have me violate them. They have determined that idiot-proofing systems is the way to go. I don't think it can be effectively done. It is a hideous waste of time for some.
With all due respect, that is kind of an arrogant stance. Why should MS design an OS to your standards? I do agree that it is difficult to idiot proof a system; but I surely understand the logic and reasoning behind trying to do so. Considering the very wide varienty of users and hardware the world over, MS has done a very decent job with Win 7.

Like yourself, I could probably operate a system without any restrictions and any built in protection - even without an anti virus program and do so safely. I know some folks who do just that. But it would certainly increase my risk. And the little time I would save operating in that manor would be more than used up if I had to reconstruct my system after a nasyt infection.

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If you are happy with the insanity that MS has engineered into their systems,
more power to you. I see another vision.
I am quite happy with Win 7. It works well. If you have a better idea, design and build it.

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>Learn about junction points - what they are and why they are there.

They are an unnecessary level of abstraction. To the extent that I run Win7, I will deal with them.
Actually they are quite necessary for backward compatibility with Legacy software. And you do not have to deal with them at all. You don't even have to know they are there. All you have to know is what Win 7 uses in place of Documents and Settings. The junction points are irrelevant to you as a user or an administrator.

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>Once you begin to understand the Win 7 system, I believe you will really like it. It is an entirely new OS. There are a few things the still frustrate me from time to time. But I do understand the reasons for most of them and I believe the reasoning is sound.

Methinks that much of Win7 constitutes mutant software engineering. MS knows they can get away with it (with "The Microsofty Culture"), so they slam it down your throat.
Mutant? Try "evolutionary".

Quote:
Win7 has some interesting features aside from the idiot-proofing. I will explore it.
Enjoy! It will be fun.
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