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Windows 7: Windows 7 raises complaints from rivals

08 May 2009   #11
RST101

Windows 7 Ultimate x64.
 
 

I think with Microsoft being the owner of windows it gives them the right to put IE in(as much as I don't like it). If these companies don't like the fact it puts a browser in its own os then all I can say is go make your own os then and stop bitching. If people want to use your browser they will, if not then they will look elsewhere for one thats suits their needs.

It is just like owning a nightclub and selling your own crisps in there.


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08 May 2009   #12
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Hi all

It's just these B/S Lawyers again.
Finally realising that even THEY aren't immune from the recession they are just looking around for another way to make money.

If we take the case of IE to "the logical extreme" you'd get for instance

You want to buy a car -- but "unfortunately (shouldn't this word be BANNED -- it's the favourite word of Jobsworths planet wide) we can't supply you with a Steering Wheel, a Gearbox. a set of wheels, or lights as these have to be obtained from other suppliers and installed separately".

I'm quite happy to buy an "All complete OS". If 3rd party products do the job better people will buy them -- such as in the case of a Car above people often buy "Sporty" or Alloy Wheels for example.

SO long as Windows has a decent API that allows people to develop products for it --what's the beef.

I used to like FF myself until fairly recently -- now it seems to be going the way of NERO etc by adding so much Bloat, too many options and zilllions and zillions of complex plugins that you almost need a Ph.D in Computer science to make head or tail of how to make it all work.

A lot of people are quite happy to just Load the OS straight out of the box and use it without having to add a whole slew of complex products.

Integrating say IE with the normal browser makes 100% sense IMO.

If you've ever used KDE on a Linux system you probably will have tried KONQUEROR (the KDE Browser). This browser makes no difference in operation -- whether you are browsing Local files (like Windows explorer) or the Internet like IE8 / FF / Opera etc etc.

It won't be long now before somebody starts complaining that Windows Media Center shouldn't be included in the OS but only available as a 3rd party add in.

Looks like we'll be going back to DOS and have to add in every single application / feature separately.

Looks like a real case of "Yesterday's Technology Tomorrow".

Cheers
jimbo
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08 May 2009   #13
Jdz

Windows 7 X86
 
 

While I use Firefox 3, I think IE 8 is pretty good but I've been a FF user for quite awhile now and have had no complaints. There are a few things here and there that are in IE that I'd love in FF.
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08 May 2009   #14
Dark Nova Gamer

Windows 7 Ultimate, OS X 10.7, Ubuntu 11.04
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by RST101 View Post
I think with Microsoft being the owner of windows it gives them the right to put IE in(as much as I don't like it). If these companies don't like the fact it puts a browser in its own os then all I can say is go make your own os then and stop bitching. If people want to use your browser they will, if not then they will look elsewhere for one thats suits their needs.

It is just like owning a nightclub and selling your own crisps in there.
This I agree with, why hasn't anyone started an uproar with Apple about their browser being in OS X? (why did microsoft stop making IE for OS X anyways? lol just a random question).

Why does everyone pick on microsoft? :\
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08 May 2009   #15
baarod

El Capitan / Windows 10
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DarkNovaGundam View Post
This I agree with, why hasn't anyone started an uproar with Apple about their browser being in OS X? (why did microsoft stop making IE for OS X anyways? lol just a random question).

Why does everyone pick on microsoft? :\
They pick on Microsoft because Microsoft is #1 and they are not. They all tried competing and because Microsoft is so big and evil and all that tripe they couldn't so they decided to pay the government to do it for them.
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08 May 2009   #16
Copyright

Windows 7 x64 7229
 
 

The resolution for Microsoft(to me) seems they need to make IE8 multi-OS functional. Then if Apple comes at them, they can complain that Safari is the same way, and go even further in saying that Apple is a monopoly, because most of the hardware for Apple computers is proprietary.
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09 May 2009   #17
vishal

Windows 7 RC1 x64
 
 

Hey, been reading posts on here since I got the RC. You guys are doing a great job

Anyway, I find it really stupid that these companies have stooped to such a low level where they are finding any reason to target Microsoft. I've been using Firefox since v1 and still prefer it over IE8, but I'm disgusted that they to, having such a succesfull browser, have joined in.
What do they expect Microsoft to do, not pack IE with Windows??? I'd love to see that. Would be nice to see how anyone downloads their software.

Now about this whole EU issue, why on Earth is MS putting up with their crap. It been a beating already and its only just started. Company's have seen the chance and are going for the low blow.
What baffles me is that the EU hasn't realised these companies are just in there for the money... mind you I guess the EU is getting it too.
When I first hear about this, I though to myself, why the hell don't MS just pull out of the European Market. I'm from the UK so yeah I would be affected, but hey I think most of us, if not all know where to get a copy. The EU would be totally gobsmacked!
I'm sure a couple of days after that gets announced it would get reversed and that we'd probally never hear MS being sued by the EU. LOL

I think thats all I've got to say for the moment.
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09 May 2009   #18
johngalt

 

The EU needed funding to boost the value of the Euro, so it legally pushed M$ in to a corner and bullied them with court room theatrics.
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09 May 2009   #19
Caddish

Windows 7 x64 RC1
 
 

The problem is simple Microsoft almost have a monopoly which is almost always a bad thing for the customer so the laws will always be against them. And you should be happy because without those little push opera and Firefox might have disappeared and we would be stuck with IE6 which was a poor navigator. Competition is essential and sometime needs help
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09 May 2009   #20
PhreePhly

Windows 7 x64 (RTM via MSDN)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Caddish View Post
The problem is simple Microsoft almost have a monopoly which is almost always a bad thing for the customer so the laws will always be against them. And you should be happy because without those little push opera and Firefox might have disappeared and we would be stuck with IE6 which was a poor navigator. Competition is essential and sometime needs help
This. While I like Win 7 and I actually prefer IE over the other browsers, the fact is that MS has been designated a monopoly, therefore the rules are different. I don't agree with many of the decisions, as they seem to lack a certain logic, but the fact is that the business world is different for monopolists.

MS has become more open, but only because they were forced to.

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