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Windows 7: Win 7 isn't working right AT ALL

21 Jun 2010   #21
Thorsen

Win7 Home Premium 64x
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Scott2010 View Post
Oh I'm not discouraged... I do like it when it's running right, like now. I'm sure once all these flukey things are ironed it it'll be fine. I just never had so many issues with getting a system up and running.

I forgot to mention that, during the internet outage, I ran 2 cycles of the extended memory test. No problems were found. I'm thinking maybe outdated motherboard drives could be causing all of it, since the hardware is really the only thing that was common across all installs. That or the BIOS. This machine is 3 years old, old enough to be outdated for 7 I guess. I can't find a bios update though; I'll probably be calling the mfr, I think it's Phoenix, on Monday.

Time to look for MB drivers...

Any luck finding the Drivers or with the MFR, Scott?


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21 Jun 2010   #22
DeaconFrost

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MacGyvr View Post
It DOES work, and should be the first line of defense in case of a system failure. It can give you the chance to fix a problem before having to completely reinstall.
Speaking of blanket statements....it DOES work...for you. It has never worked for me in well over 100 attempts on various systems, even on brand new, OEM setups. It is considered a feature, much like hibernate, that is great in theory, but is far less in reality.

Please stop spreading your own opinion around as fact, especially if you are going to accuse others of doing so. Like I said above...do the reading. Check out some other forum boards. You'll quickly realize the reality behind System Restore.

I stand very firmly behind my comments as well, backed by the facts I gave and the links. System Restore rarely works to solve the issue...it only masks the issue until it arises again, assuming it does anything to improve the systems current status, which is very rare.

The guide I linked to does warn against the ability to do restores in the future, but also gives better suggestions as to system recovery...points you neglected to mention.

Trust me, I wish you were correct in saying System Restore works great. I wish it really did, because it would be convenient. However, that's not the reality. If you think it is, consider yourself VERY lucky, because it is rare. It's been a laughable, often-miocked feature since it's implementation, and unlike most of the OS, hasn't been improved from XP to Windows 7.
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21 Jun 2010   #23
Jacee
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ultimate 32bit SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost View Post
System Restore has ALWAYS been advised by security companies to be disabled, as it offers a nice hiding spot for malware to reside, so it can continually reinfect the system. That's been a known fact for years now, and has not changed.
That's not always true either ... Those of us who have been trained (and train) in malware removal don't agree with turning system restore off while cleaning a dirty machine. "A dirty restore point" is better to return to than none at all.

After the machine has been cleaned, then it is time to flush the old restore points by turning system restore off, rebooting, then turning it back on again.
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21 Jun 2010   #24
gregrocker

 

I can think of at least a dozen times in just the past few weeks that System Restore has saved the day for Users who otherwise would have had to reinstall or spend hours troubleshooting issues with possibly no fix.

They had a time machine to erase a mistake as though it never happened - what more can you ask for?

Turn it off at your own risk and for what good reason?

A better idea is if you have unused disk space then increase the percentage which stores restore points to 10% or more so you have more choices going further back, at Computer>Properties>Advanced Tools>System Protection>Configure. (That's working from memory, for good reason).
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21 Jun 2010   #25
housry23

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Just use 32-bit version of Windows 7 if it was working fine and 64-bit isn't. The minimum requirement for a 64-bit Windows 7 is 2GB of RAM and that is what you have. It takes more ram to run a 64-bit OS and as you install more and more apps it will dip into that and if you don't have at least 3GB of RAM I would not suggest running 64-bit Windows 7. Why spend all this time and trouble trying to get something to work when you can install 32-bit with no problems. Just my opinion. Good luck and I hope you get your troubles sorted out.
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21 Jun 2010   #26
Product FRED

Windows 7 Enterprise 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Jacee View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost View Post
System Restore has ALWAYS been advised by security companies to be disabled, as it offers a nice hiding spot for malware to reside, so it can continually reinfect the system. That's been a known fact for years now, and has not changed.
That's not always true either ... Those of us who have been trained (and train) in malware removal don't agree with turning system restore off while cleaning a dirty machine. "A dirty restore point" is better to return to than none at all.

After the machine has been cleaned, then it is time to flush the old restore points by turning system restore off, rebooting, then turning it back on again.
I agree. My friend asked me to take a look at his sister's badly-infected laptop. It wouldn't even boot. But as soon as I rolled it back using system restore, even though it was still infected, it booted just fine. The only thing that was wrong after that was that the malware was making executables an unknown file type to the user (would bring up "Open With" dialog). I got around that by right clicking and running as Administrator. After that, I just removed the trial AV that came with the computer and removed everything with Malwarebytes and MSE.
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21 Jun 2010   #27
Colonel Travis

Black Label 7 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
I can think of at least a dozen times in just the past few weeks that System Restore has saved the day for Users who otherwise would have had to reinstall or spend hours troubleshooting issues with possibly no fix.

replace "Users" with "me" and the statement still holds true. SR has saved my sweet patootie too many times to remember. Two days ago I was tinkering around and accidentally screwed up something in the registry. It also affected SR, and I'm still trying to figure out what I did exactly. Bottom line is that SR was wiped out (never seen that before) and I had to do a clean install. This is the only time I can think of that SR failed me in Windows 7, and that's because I did something that affected its operation.
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21 Jun 2010   #28
CarlTR6

Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Jacee View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost View Post
System Restore has ALWAYS been advised by security companies to be disabled, as it offers a nice hiding spot for malware to reside, so it can continually reinfect the system. That's been a known fact for years now, and has not changed.
That's not always true either ... Those of us who have been trained (and train) in malware removal don't agree with turning system restore off while cleaning a dirty machine. "A dirty restore point" is better to return to than none at all.

After the machine has been cleaned, then it is time to flush the old restore points by turning system restore off, rebooting, then turning it back on again.
+1 I agree whole heartedly - and I am not trained in malware removal. It also come in handy to eliminate problems and BSOD's caused by a recent install or a recent update.
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22 Jun 2010   #29
DeaconFrost

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

I can't think of one time since XP's release that System Restore has actually worked or solved an issue for me. Rather that, problems usually fall into two groups. Either a relatively quick fix, that leaves the issue completely resolved (rather than a roll back that could re-occur), or a simple repair install fixes the problem, leaving the computer at a normal operating mode. Reinstallation, for me, is never a troubleshooting tool, unless I have no faith in the OS's stability or security anymore, such as one so badly infected with malware that even after total removel, random issues still occur. If a driver or app is the issue, you have driver rollbacks or safe mode for removal, followed by something like Driver Cleaner or CCleaner. Windows 7 even has a great system image utility built-in that would do the same rough job as System Restore (only more complete). If anyone is running WHS at home, you have even better options still.
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22 Jun 2010   #30
Scott2010

Windows 7 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost View Post
I can't think of one time since XP's release that System Restore has actually worked or solved an issue for me.
^^ I'm in that boat. Anyway back to the issue:

Got the system finished finally, and it's running beautifully. It is damn fidgety about what drivers I use though. I actually let driver detective take over this last time, which is saying something because I have some bad history with that program. It updated the video with a driver from March, which is several updates ago. It didn't say anything about the mobo drivers being out of date, so I'm leaving it be for now.

So, video updated, no updates for the mobo, and everything's good. Haven't dl'd any windows updates either. I've been making system images constantly, just in case.

On a side note: I had to pull my dvd and put it on my son's pc to install Modern Warfare 2 for him as it's the only drive in the house that'll read those cd's. Had to pull the faceplate off my pc to do it. It's top heavy, there's a door that swings open, looks like an armor plate. Anyway, it fell from where I had it propped and it yanked the cord out from the back of the reset button. I put it back in, but now the button's all mashed in.... All the f'n luck... Haven't made a serious attempt to fix it yet though. I'm taking a day off...

Thanks for all the help!
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