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Windows 7: Windows 7 Bug?

22 Jun 2010   #11
Product FRED

Windows 7 Enterprise 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost View Post
If you run out of gas, your car will be useless as well, so if you do anything to run out of memory, you'll likely have an issue. I wouldn't call this a bug, I'd call it a system limitation. But it isn't likely an issue for anyone other than those trying to duplicate it.
Exactly. Like how 32-bit systems can't handle more than ~3.5 GB of RAM. It's not a bug, it's just the way the system works.


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22 Jun 2010   #12
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by fseal View Post
It may be possibly unfortunate that windows does not do a better job of protecting itself from running out of resources but yes that's the way it is. Open 80 instances of ANYTHING and you will probably drag windows down to a crawl or even a full stallout as everything is fighting for the last remaning byte of ram or window handle.
However, in this case, it's not the system running out of typical resources. Once I had 75 Explorer Windows opened, I checked my CPU, memory and everything else and my box was more or less idle with less than 35% of the ram consumed. I opened up 5 more and it just hung.

When attempting to close the open windows, the box hung. When I checked task manager I only had 1 explorer.exe running consuming about 70MB of RAM. I ended process on that process and now my box is just sitting there with the desktop background with no icons, no start menu, nothing else. Hard drive is doing nothing. Box is totally hung.

So, while nothing most people would ever see in a million years...still interesting and could probably be handled a bit more gracefully.
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22 Jun 2010   #13
Win7User512

Windows 7 x64 / Same
 
 

Perhaps you have reached the limited number of processes across the OS, not just Explorer.

Who knows, maybe the legacy code is still there that limits it despite having 24GB of RAM and 6-Core processors.
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22 Jun 2010   #14
mikeyo

Windows 7 Ultimate X64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by fseal View Post
It may be possibly unfortunate that windows does not do a better job of protecting itself from running out of resources but yes that's the way it is. Open 80 instances of ANYTHING and you will probably drag windows down to a crawl or even a full stallout as everything is fighting for the last remaning byte of ram or window handle.
However, in this case, it's not the system running out of typical resources. Once I had 75 Explorer Windows opened, I checked my CPU, memory and everything else and my box was more or less idle with less than 35% of the ram consumed. I opened up 5 more and it just hung.

When attempting to close the open windows, the box hung. When I checked task manager I only had 1 explorer.exe running consuming about 70MB of RAM. I ended process on that process and now my box is just sitting there with the desktop background with no icons, no start menu, nothing else. Hard drive is doing nothing. Box is totally hung.

So, while nothing most people would ever see in a million years...still interesting and could probably be handled a bit more gracefully.
agreed, it could be handled in a much better way, rather than crapping out and causing the whole system to be unstable.

I still think it's a bug and NOT a feature. Also, whilst 75 explorer windows sounds like a lot, in the days of ssds, 24gb mem, 6 core processors, why shouldnt the OS handle it? Answers on a postcard....
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22 Jun 2010   #15
DeaconFrost

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mikeyo View Post
why shouldnt the OS handle it? Answers on a postcard....
Simple....because the person using the system couldn't handle it.
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22 Jun 2010   #16
mikeyo

Windows 7 Ultimate X64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Product FRED View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost View Post
If you run out of gas, your car will be useless as well, so if you do anything to run out of memory, you'll likely have an issue. I wouldn't call this a bug, I'd call it a system limitation. But it isn't likely an issue for anyone other than those trying to duplicate it.
Exactly. Like how 32-bit systems can't handle more than ~3.5 GB of RAM. It's not a bug, it's just the way the system works.
No, it's not a resource issue. The Explorer.exe process climbs to around 200MB at around 75 open windows... The system is still lightening fast but as soon as you hit the 76th Window, BANG the desktop corrupts, explorer crashes and you're led to believe that your i7 is now a 486 in disguise... Call that a feature? Thought not.
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22 Jun 2010   #17
mikeyo

Windows 7 Ultimate X64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mikeyo View Post
why shouldnt the OS handle it? Answers on a postcard....
Simple....because the person using the system couldn't handle it.
clap, clap, clap....
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22 Jun 2010   #18
Product FRED

Windows 7 Enterprise 64-bit
 
 

I still don't see why this deserves an entire debate. Most people don't need 75-80 explorer Windows open.
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22 Jun 2010   #19
Kari

 

I found more bugs in Windows 7. When I run programs simultaneously from several external USB HD's and then constatly plug and unplug all USB cables, some programs stop running.

Another bug I found, using my test machine, is that when I cut the power from the main switch when Windows is booting, after 20 or 30 retries Windows can no longer read my HD.

All these bugs, why can't they give us a working OS?
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22 Jun 2010   #20
Jonathan_King

Windows 7 Professional x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kari View Post
I found more bugs in Windows 7. When I run programs simultaneously from several external USB HD's and then constatly plug and unplug all USB cables, some programs stop running.

Another bug I found, using my test machine, is that when I cut the power from the main switch when Windows is booting, after 20 or 30 retries Windows can no longer read my HD.

All these bugs, why can't they give us a working OS?
LOL!
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