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Windows 7: Several Power Questions

27 Jul 2010   #61
glennc

Windows 7 Ultimate
 
 

Yes, I agree, this has been a great and informative thread, at least for me.
Thanks again to all who have offered their advice, advice it seems, like everything else, is not black and white. I am glad to have heard all opinions and appreciate the time everyone has spent to make me a safer happy camper. Dang S. FL!
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27 Jul 2010   #62
CarlTR6

Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit
 
 

You are very welcome. And actually, it is most of the peninsula that gets frequent summer thunder storms. In fact the area around Inverness and Crystal River is the lightning capitol of Florida. They get more than you do.
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27 Jul 2010   #63
westom

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by glennc View Post
. You, to make it exactly clear for me, offer IYO absolutely no benefit under any circumstances and could create a fire? I want to be clear on this matter due to opposing viewpoint, and I want to understand yours completely.

Again, the one and relevant fact. Where does energy dissipate? There is no other question. Where does that energy dissipate? Stop. Do not read any more. Answer that question. Can you? Do you have the answer? If not, you are ripe for scamming.

Do those 1266 and never more than 2533 joules (in a 3800 joules protector) magically absorb surges that are hundreds of thousands of joules? Of course not. Adjacent to the appliance - it will stop and absorb the entire surge? Nonsense. Where does energy dissipate? Why does the engineer with generations (not just decades) of experience ask you to answer that one question? Because others who cannot and do not are easily scammed.

View numeric specs for that 3800 joules protector. If seeking honest answers, specs were the very first thing viewed. Where does it say energy dissipates? It says nothing. Where does it list each surge and protection from that surge? It says nothing.

What did the NIST say? The NIST says that 3800 joules protector is ... what word does that US government research agency use? You read the word many times previously. What did the NIST call that 3800 joule protector?
> ... your surge protector will work by diverting the surges to ground. The best surge protection
> in the world can be useless if grounding is not done properly.

At what point does the word "useless" mean something?

Did fire in scary pictures get your attention? Pictures are every reason to not waste money on scam protectors. What happens when too much energy dissipates inside a useless protector? The NIST said where energy dissipates. Scary pictures show what happens when an undersized power strip absorbs too much energy.

Either hundreds of thousands of joules are absorbed harmlessly outside the building - one 'whole house' protector that costs tens or 100 times less money. Or energy hunts for earth ground destructively via appliances. You saw it! Your monitor was a victim. That surge protector did exactly what its numeric specs said it would do. 3800 joule protector claims to do same. You had monitor damage due to a scam plug-in protector. So now you will buy another 3800 joules scam?

When the NIST said "useless", then did you smell the coffee? When scary pictures shows the problem (too many joules absorbed by a power strip), when do you realize a scam. Your monitor was on a plug-in protector. Therefore it was damaged. So you will buy another plug-in protector because the first one did nothing? It failed as its spec numbers said it would do. What do the 3800 joules protector specs say? Or do you want to see in real life what happened in those scary pictures?

Where does energy dissipate? Either one 'whole house' protector means no energy inside the building. Means no damage to the furnace, stove, refrigerator, dishwasher... What most needs protection during a surge? Smoke detectors. Energy will hunt for earth via your appliances - no matter how much you overpay for that $7 power strip protector.

Why does the NIST call that 3800 joules protector "useless"? Because the NIST answers a simple question. Where do hundreds of thousands of joules get absorbed? Go view the scary pictures. Or buy a 3800 joules something that already did not protect your monitor.
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27 Jul 2010   #64
glennc

Windows 7 Ultimate
 
 

Howdy Westom,
I appreciate the idea you are making and I believe I understand it. It now comes down to money. Until I can get an accurate or close idea of what the whole house protector is going to cost, I believe it is beyond my means. $19.00 is a small price to pay for piece of mind, even if it is delusional. You have convinced me that I have to get a full house protector when it becomes economically feasible, and I will because I wasn't clear on the issue. You and the other members have made me anxiously aware.
But as I eat too much and don't exercise enough, I don't always follow the best advice at the correct time. Really do like your caring enough to enunciate the issue with facts and examples. I will get one down the road. Prior to needing it? Well only from above knows the answer. Might get lucky? Take care bud!
glennc
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27 Jul 2010   #65
westom

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by glennc View Post
I appreciate the idea you are making and I believe I understand it. It now comes down to money. Until I can get an accurate or close idea of what the whole house protector is going to cost, I believe it is beyond my means. $19.00 is a small price to pay for piece of mind,

Cost was provided in a first post. A Cutler-Hammer solution sells for less than $50 in Lowes and Home Depot. Additional expenses if grounding must be upgraded. Ten foot copper clad ground rods cost maybe $12. And someone to drive them into earth.

A $20 protector is the same protector that already existed when a monitor was damage. You don't need a new one. The one that was there is already and still doing same protection.
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28 Jul 2010   #66
glennc

Windows 7 Ultimate
 
 

Westom,
I somehow missed or forgot the pricing. Doesn't sound so bad, not at all considering where I am living. Just to confirm my memory to lack, the whole house protector is not a definite guarantee against a direct lightning strike, did I remember that correctly?
Don't know how I missed the costs. Will look into it sooner, for sure.
glennc
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28 Jul 2010   #67
toughbook

 
 

This is what I have been doing for years, and also what I have learned thru living life.

You cannot stop a full strike if it hits your house. That is what you pay your homeowners insurance for. My mother's home has been hit twice in the last 4 years. Direct hits. Yes, there is something about her house that acts like a magnet, that's obvious. However, her insurance replaces everything without any trouble at all.

I have a pretty high end Monster power conditioner, surge protector, etc. It shows the input power, output, and Hz on the display. The incoming power level will fluctuate between 118 and 123 volts. My output power is always at 119 or 120. I have my Plasma, BR Player, DTV box, and my ATT U-Verse Modem plugged into it. Along with the incoming phone and RJ6 cables. Yes, some may laugh at the fact I purchased a Monster product. However, it does a darn good job of "Cleaning" my power. That is what I am mostly concerned about. Our national power grid is so ancient and provides such dirty power. I want clean power going to my electronics. My computers at home are all laptops. When I do have to charge them they are plugged into my Monster. However, all my computers are toughbooks so my battery life usually runs anywhere from 8 to 12 hours.

When is the last time your oven's circuit board was fried? Dishwasher, clock radio, etc, fried from a thunderstorm?

If your house is constructed in a proper fashion your at a good starting point.

Use a good quality UPC and live on. You cannot avoid the impossible. Mother nature is too strong for mankind!

Thank you for letting me add my .02 cents.
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28 Jul 2010   #68
westom

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by glennc View Post
I somehow missed or forgot the pricing. Doesn't sound so bad, not at all considering where I am living. Just to confirm my memory to lack, the whole house protector is not a definite guarantee against a direct lightning strike,
Nothing is a direct guarantee. But some numbers from the IEEE Green Book entitled 'Static and Lightning Protection Grounding':
> Lightning cannot be prevented; it can only be intercepted or diverted to a path which will,

> if well designed and constructed, not result in damage. Even this means is not positive,
> providing only 99.5-99.9% protection. ...
> Still, a 99.5% protection level will reduce the incidence of direct strokes from one stroke per

> 30 years ... to one stroke per 6000 years ...

A properly earthed 'whole house' protector is maybe 99.5% protection at about $1 per protected appliance. A plug-in protector maybe does 0.2% additional while costing about 20 times more money.

A Monster Cable protector is the same protector circuit that sells in a grocery store for $7. If Monster is selling the same product, that is a guarantee that the product is a scam. Monster has a long history of identifying scams. Then selling the same thing at an even higher prices.
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28 Jul 2010   #69
glennc

Windows 7 Ultimate
 
 

Cool and thanks Gentlemen,
Will stop by Home De-pot and ask some questions.
glennc
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