Why has Firefox become so bad?

[Ravanx]

Please read this post and this post of mine before you post a reply.

Why has Firefox become so bad?

It's becoming more and more bloated and less like what it was intended to be (fast and functional) when it was first released to compete with IE.

It takes up insane amounts of ram memory. It also crashes so easily whenever the flash plugin crashes.

Compare it to another browser like Chrome and the consumption and stability differences are so vast, even though Chrome was created after Firefox.. Chrome consumes 1/5 as much memory, doesn't lag at all even when many tabs are open and doesn't crash at all even if its flash plugin crashes.

I hate to use Chrome over Firefox but it's proving to be superior to Firefox in the most important areas of memory consumption, lag speed and stability. Chrome has major problems ensuring that downloads do not become corrupted, which is a nail to its heart.

Firefox, please take care of the important core issues before fiddling around with issues concerning user-created plugin...

 

[Lemur]

If I hear the word "bloated" one more time I'm gonna go postal.

Here ya go...

Crazy Browser

 

[noobvious]

Why has Firefox become so bad?

It's becoming more and more bloated and less like what it was intended to be (fast and functional) when it was first released to compete with IE.

It's fast and functional for me.

 

[G1LLY]

Personally I don't think it's slow when browsing but I did notice that the latest builds of FF 3.6 got slower starting up, but I guess it's to do with your hardware more than anything.

In my experience with Firefox 4 I think it's lost it's usability a little compared to 3.6, I wish they'd thought more about the Orange button.

It's the UI of Firefox 4 that pushed me to another browser, I'm glad it did because after using Chrome, Firefox to me now is a speck in the dust.

 

[Ravanx]

Personally I don't think it's slow when browsing but I did notice that the latest builds of FF 3.6 got slower starting up, but I guess it's to do with your hardware more than anything.

In my experience with Firefox 4 I think it's lost it's usability a little compared to 3.6, I wish they'd thought more about the Orange button.

It's the UI of Firefox 4 that pushed me to another browser, I'm glad it did because after using Chrome, Firefox to me now is a speck in the dust.

My 1 year old computer runs Firefox as fast as my 6 year old computer, even though it has about 3 to 4x the specs of my old computer.
It's not the hardware, it's firefox.

 

[pparks1]

The true bloat usually shows up with Add-ons and such. On it's own, it's still small, lightweight and fast.

 

[fseal]

What is happening is that FF is reaching the dreaded version "4.0"

Mozilla killed Netscape with version 4.0. It was so buggy and "bloated" (at the time) that it made IE 4.0 look good and they completely lost their user base. I was a 100% loyal Netscape user utill 4.0 stabbed me in the eye.

They seem to be doing it again with FF. They just cant get past that magic number for some reason. They need to start over again with a new browser "Water Weasel 1.0" or something and just skip 4.0 altogeather

Edit: "Earth Ermine"? "Sky.. uh... Scallop"?

 

[Lemur]

What is happening is that FF is reaching the dreaded version "4.0"

Mozilla killed Netscape with version 4.0. It was so buggy and "bloated" (at the time) that it made IE 4.0 look good and they completely lost their user base. I was a 100% loyal Netscape user utill 4.0 stabbed me in the eye.

They seem to be doing it again with FF. They just cant get past that magic number for some reason. They need to start over again with a new browser "Water Weasel 1.0" or something and just skip 4.0 altogeather

Water Weasel for the World Wide Web: WWWWW

 

[SledgeDG]

Granted, Chrome is faster (always was) but
Have you counted your Plugins recently?
Start Firefox with the switch -P (Profile manager) create a new profile and see if it's still slow and sluggish.

-DG

 

[Fayla]

Firefox...is slow? I use Firefox and I find that almost all web pages load faster than a blink of an eye, even multimedia heavy one.

Isn't Chrome the browser that opens up a new process for each tab? I prefer my single 100MB~150MB Firefox process than 10 x 150mb~ Chrome processes (just for a simple browsing session too~)

The newer Firefox versions have a 'plugin container', so if Flash crashes in Firefox, only the Firefox plugin container crashes, not the whole Firefox.

 

[SledgeDG]

Right you are, ReiTumult
In my experience, if Firefox gets sluggish and slow it's in either too many plugins or simply a corrupted profile
I'm not worried about how much RAM my browser uses. Why do I have RAM to begin with if not for running processes.
:roflmao::roflmao:

-DG

 

[zigzag3143]

What version of Firefox are you running?

What are the insane amounts of ram?


Ken

 

[Windows i7 920]

What is happening is that FF is reaching the dreaded version "4.0"

Mozilla killed Netscape with version 4.0. It was so buggy and "bloated" (at the time) that it made IE 4.0 look good and they completely lost their user base. I was a 100% loyal Netscape user utill 4.0 stabbed me in the eye.

They seem to be doing it again with FF. They just cant get past that magic number for some reason. They need to start over again with a new browser "Water Weasel 1.0" or something and just skip 4.0 altogeather

Edit: "Earth Ermine"? "Sky.. uh... Scallop"?

I have Firefox 4 Beta 6 running on Windows 7 Professional x64 SP1 Beta. I absolutely love it. I love the performance on HTML5 enabled sites such as YouTube and Dailymotion. Playing video without a plug-in is just amazing. A lot more stable that way too.

Oh I think they should just call it Mozilla Navigator since it is based on Netscape Navigator and Netscape died off.

Here's an interesting link.

 

[SledgeDG]

My FF is v3.6.12 and it uses up to 150K and runs nice and stable thus no complaint here.

-DG

 

[mitchell64]

I use Firefox, every now & again i find it gets a tad sluggish because the user files (username/AppData) folders become badly fragmented.
I just give those Two folders a quick defrag & Firefox is running crisp & clean again

You have to have "Show hidden folders" enabled in folder options

C:\Users\Username\AppData\Local\Mozilla

C:\Users\Username\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla

 

[Ravanx]

Granted, Chrome is faster (always was) but
Have you counted your Plugins recently?
Start Firefox with the switch -P (Profile manager) create a new profile and see if it's still slow and sluggish.

-DG

Let's see... I don't install plugins other than Java and Flash. And firefox couldn't take that.

Firefox...is slow? I use Firefox and I find that almost all web pages load faster than a blink of an eye, even multimedia heavy one.

Isn't Chrome the browser that opens up a new process for each tab? I prefer my single 100MB~150MB Firefox process than 10 x 150mb~ Chrome processes (just for a simple browsing session too~)

The newer Firefox versions have a 'plugin container', so if Flash crashes in Firefox, only the Firefox plugin container crashes, not the whole Firefox.

The plugin container is full of fail. The whole firefox 3.6 still crashes. When it crashes, Firefox starts to lag, then Windows tells me Firefox stopped working. I have no choice but to close the program and Firefox is exited.
Meh when I'm using Google Chrome, I didn't even notice that flash crashed because Chrome was functioning as normal with not even a single second of lag when the flash crashed.
It was until Windows had a popup alerting me that Chrome stopped working (although Chrome didn't stop working for even one second, and was still working while that alert appeared) that I got curious enough to check what happened and I realized that flash had crashed.

What version of Firefox are you running?

What are the insane amounts of ram?
Ken

Firefox 3.6. Stopped using it since 3.6. I couldn't take it anymore.
Insane amounts of ram = 1.2GB of RAM.

 

[madtownidiot]

I'm calling bull$** on this whole issue.
trying to run 20+ tabs simultaneously might use 1.2GB.

Otherwise:
You have a ton of toolbars and add-ons
you've never cleared your history
never defragged your HDD
your system is infected with spyware
one or all of the above.

 

[SledgeDG]

I don't think you can't chalk that all up to "Mozilla = Major Fail". It's certainly not that simple.There must be something seriously wrong with your system.
Looks to me like a good candidate for a clean install.

-DG

 

[Fayla]

Aw, I was about to say that. Sure, I have had problems with the Chrome browser, mainly my dislike of its UI and multiple processes creations. But I'd leave it at that, unspoken. Rather than posting a general-ism about how something "sucks" because for some reason or another the software didn't work correctly for me. Not the most professional move.

I don't think you can't chalk that all up to "Mozilla = Major Fail".

 

[Ravanx]

I'm calling bull$** on this whole issue.
trying to run 20+ tabs simultaneously might use 1.2GB.

You might need to eat that.
Chrome can handle 20+ tabs without lagging and without consuming half as much memory as firefox.
Firefox handles 20+ tabs with lagging and consuming 1.2GB of RAM.

I don't understand what happened to Firefox.. Seriously. It used to be the standard but it has fallen behind by so much.

Aw, I was about to say that. Sure, I have had problems with the Chrome browser, mainly my dislike of its UI and multiple processes creations. But I'd leave it at that, unspoken. Rather than posting a general-ism about how something "sucks" because for some reason or another the software didn't work correctly for me. Not the most professional move.

I don't think you can't chalk that all up to "Mozilla = Major Fail".

The topic is simple. Firefox is getting worse and it's becoming so bad that I stopped using it. Why is it so.