'Upgrade or Full' What is the difference..

[apollo911]

between the versions? And where are the OEM prices?

 

[Arkhan]

Full versions can do a clean install on a machine with no OS, upgrade requires a copy of xp or vista on that machine already (as far as the licence goes, anyway) - and it checks, so you need windows installed already to do a clean upgrade. Installing the upgrade copy twice allows you to get past that requirement.

OEM prices will come out presumably closer to launch date.

 

[Lordbob75]

Arkhan is correct, however it is possible to do a clean install with an upgrade disk. It is fairly simple.

Otherwise, they are exactly the same. It will be the same OS, the same features, etc.

~Lordbob

 

[tugas2khas]

Full versions can do a clean install on a machine with no OS, upgrade requires a copy of xp or vista on that machine already (as far as the licence goes, anyway) - and it checks, so you need windows installed already to do a clean upgrade. Installing the upgrade copy twice allows you to get past that requirement.

OEM prices will come out presumably closer to launch date.

If it need windows already installed, do i need to reinstall the vista, and then upgrade to 7... now i only have 7 on my machine... and i already throw away the vista CD... only the sticker at the bottom of my laptop still stick strong.

 

[LFB]

I think the Full and upgrade are quite same...

We know that Windows Seven don't will accept direct upgrade from Windos XP, so it will be possible to do a clean install with upgrade versions...

 

[TBolt]

Hi, guys. I read through this other thread & this one; still have a question.

When I bought the upgrade version of Win7 last night, I completely forgot about that 'ol rule of thumb that says it's best to avoid 'upgrade' installs and stick with full installs. That is an old belief -- just wanted to see if it's still true today. (If so, I may cancel my order and wait for the full OS offer.)

Also, I purchased the 'download' option at the Microsoft Store. Do you think that'll be delivered as an .iso file that we can mount or burn to DVD?

Thank you!

 

[zigzag3143]

upgrade or clean

Hi, guys. I read through this other thread & this one; still have a question.

When I bought the upgrade version of Win7 last night, I completely forgot about that 'ol rule of thumb that says it's best to avoid 'upgrade' installs and stick with full installs. That is an old belief -- just wanted to see if it's still true today. (If so, I may cancel my order and wait for the full OS offer.)

Also, I purchased the 'download' option at the Microsoft Store. Do you think that'll be delivered as an .iso file that we can mount or burn to DVD?

Thank you!

The old rule of thumb still holds. Dont know what format the download will be although vhd is faster to stream down. Im thinking ISO. You can do a clean install from an upgrade media see below

Ken

 

[Lordbob75]

For those of you that bought Upgrade but want a full install:

HOW TO DO A FULL INSTALL WITH AN UPGRADE DISK:
1) Put in the Upgrade disk and boot into it.
2) Install the OS, but DO NOT enter your product code!!! Select skip instead.
3) After install in complete, run Setup from INSIDE the new install and this time enter your Product Key.

~Lordbob

 

[TBolt]

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3) After install in complete, run Setup from INSIDE the new install and this time enter your Product Key.

~Lordbob

Thanks ZigZag 'n Bob. I've noted your tip for when the time to 'upgrade' comes.

Just to make sure I'm clear on this...
For Step 3: Are you saying we should (1) finish the installation, (2) re-run the installation DVD & (3) let the DVD re-install again?

Or, is there a different process to follow in order to "run Setup?"

Thank you!

 

[yadielfeliciano]

Uhmm

Upgrade costs less I guess...

 

[Lordbob75]

Thanks ZigZag 'n Bob. I've noted your tip for when the time to 'upgrade' comes.

Just to make sure I'm clear on this...
For Step 3: Are you saying we should (1) finish the installation, (2) re-run the installation DVD & (3) let the DVD re-install again?

Or, is there a different process to follow in order to "run Setup?"

Thank you!

Here is a "fuller" description:
Step 1: Install Windows Vista

Boot your PC with the Windows Vista Upgrade DVD. After the preliminary loading screen, click the Install Now button to trigger Vista Setup. In the next screen, you normally enter your product key. Leave the Product Key field blank, deselect the option titled "Automatically activate Windows when I'm online," and then click Next. Vista Setup will ask you whether you would like to enter your Product Key before continuing. Click No.
In the next Setup screen, you'll be presented with a list of the Windows Vista product editions you can install. This list may vary from locale to locale, but in the US, you'll see Vista Home Basic, Home Premium, Business, Ultimate, and some N editions. Choose the product edition you actually own. You'll be asked to verify that you've chosen the correct version. Do so to continue past the End User License Agreement (EULA) screen.
In the next screen, you select the type of install. Choose Custom (Advanced) instead of Upgrade. Next, you choose the partition to which to install Windows Vista. If you need to format the disk, select the Drive options (advanced) option to do so and then continue.
Now, Setup copies the Vista install image to your PC, expands it, and installs Windows. This phase of Setup should take about 15 to 20 minutes and trigger at least one reboot. When Vista is installed, you'll step through the penultimate phase of Setup in which you enter, in succession, your user name and password, computerhttp://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_upgrade_clean.asp# name, and the date, time, and time zone. Then Setup runs its final task, a performance test that could take about 5 minutes. If everything goes well, and you're running fairly modern hardware, you should hit the Welcome screen and, after logging on, the new Vista desktop less than 30 minutes after you began this process.
Step 2: Upgrade

What you've installed is decidedly temporary. You've got 30 days during which you can run this non-activated version of Windows Vista. If you try to activate Windows now, it will fail, because you've performed a clean install of Vista and you only have an Upgrade product key.
What to do, what to do? Well, you just installed Windows Vista, so why not just upgrade from this install? That's right: You're going to upgrade the non-activated clean install you just performed, which will provide you with a version of the OS that you can, in fact, activate.
To do this, just open Computer and double click on the icon for the DVD drive that contains the Vista Upgrade media. Run Setup again, this time from within Vista. Choose Install Now, and then "Do not get the latest updates for installationhttp://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_upgrade_clean.asp#" in the next screen. Then, in the now-familiar Product Key phase, enter your product key. It's on the back of the pull-out Vista packaging. You can choose to automatically activate Windows when online or not, it's your choice. In the next screen, accept the Windows EULA.
Now, choose the Upgrade option. Windows will install as before, though you might notice that it takes quite a bit longer this time. (Upgrade installs seem to take up to 45 minutes, compared to 30 minutes or less with clean installs, and reboots at least one additional time.)
Because you've just completed an upgrade install, you won't be prompted to enter your user name and so forth (only the time zone screen is presented). Instead, you'll just boot directly to the Welcome screen when the performance check is complete. Using the user name and password you created during the first install, logon to Windows.
Once again, you have 30 days in which to activate Vista. However, this time activation will work: To activate Vista immediately (unless you told it to do so during Setup), open the Start Menu, right-click Computer, and choose Properties. Then, at the bottom of the System window that appears, click the link titled Activate Windows now.

~Lordbob

 

[TBolt]

Wow. Thanks, Bob.

 

[TBolt]

As an FYI to anyone who might purchase the upgrade ONLINE via the Microsoft Store, orders are being lost. I just posted this elsewhere.

Well, it seems that ordering the Win7 Home Premium upgrade has already turned out to be a mistake. I called Microsoft Store up to switch my order from the "download" option to a UPS shipment. The Microsoft Store searched every which way for my order -- by order number, by email address, etc. -- and never found the order.

The order number doesn't exist. My name is no where in the system. She checked with her supervisors -- they know it's a recurring problem this morning. So, DON'T BOTHER ORDERING ONLINE! Call Microsoft Store.



I went against my better judgement and placed a new order. Just wait...I'll be charged twice come October. (sigh)

 

[foojoo]

For those of you that bought Upgrade but want a full install:

HOW TO DO A FULL INSTALL WITH AN UPGRADE DISK:
1) Put in the Upgrade disk and boot into it.
2) Install the OS, but DO NOT enter your product code!!! Select skip instead.
3) After install in complete, run Setup from INSIDE the new install and this time enter your Product Key.

~Lordbob

Hi Bob,
Thanks so much for the info. But one quick question.. This trick was found on Vista's upgrades, right? Who's to say that the upgrades shipping in October will actually still allow this? Does anyone have like a pre-shipping copy of the upgrade who would be able to confirm that it stills works?

Thanks in advance!

 

[SIW2]

Assuming that it can still be done with 7, here is a Step by Step guide with screenshots:

Clean Install From Upgrade Vista - Vista Forums

Europeans do not need to think about it. There are no upgrade discs for Europe.

 

[foojoo]

So the worst case:
I buy the upgrade and it doesn't allow for you to install the upgrade on top of itself, then i'll have to buy an xp cd key right?

If i'm preordering Win7Professional upgrade, can i just buy any XP OEM key? (home edition or anything <$100)? I recently built a new system so the only thing I've ever had on it is 7's Beta & RC1.

 

[screwballl]

For those of you that bought Upgrade but want a full install:

HOW TO DO A FULL INSTALL WITH AN UPGRADE DISK:
1) Put in the Upgrade disk and boot into it.
2) Install the OS, but DO NOT enter your product code!!! Select skip instead.
3) After install in complete, run Setup from INSIDE the new install and this time enter your Product Key.

~Lordbob

From what I understand, they have or are planning to squash this bug... whether it actually happens or not, I do not know. Either way I plan to use vLite to get around some of those "bugs" if I find they do not work.

 

[sup3rsprt]

So the worst case:
I buy the upgrade and it doesn't allow for you to install the upgrade on top of itself, then i'll have to buy an xp cd key right?

As was stated, there is no upgrade path from Windows XP besides a clean install. Therefore there must be a way to do clean install with the Windows 7 upgrade media.

 

[foojoo]

As was stated, there is no upgrade path from Windows XP besides a clean install. Therefore there must be a way to do clean install with the Windows 7 upgrade media.

I guess my question boils down to:
Could I theoretically buy a XP home edition OEM Key and upgrade it to 7 Professional? I heard of upgrades being restrictive to editions (pro->pro etc.)

 

[Snufffed]

Clean install with UPGRADE only DISK

between the versions? And where are the OEM prices?

Actually the "UPGRADE" disk set gave instruction on how to CLEAN Install with a UPGRADE DISK.
1. when ask during option check CLEAN Install.
2. when ask "DO NOT ENTER A KEY" READ THE POPUP. something are you sure you want to do this. if you have problems etc etc...
3. continue to install.
4. You will finish with a UNactivated Edition - FULL Complete but only good for 30 days.
5. some time during the 30 days, insert the DVD while loged in. when ask click upgrade, when ask insert the KEY, when ask say activate when online.
6. Let the install finish and do final REBOOT.
Now time to PLAY with Microsft Legit Script
7. click START --> type CMD - right click and run as admin
8. wait for the popup
9. type slmgr.vbs -dlv wait for the popup
popup should say something like 30 day period is almost used or grace time.
10. type slmgr.vbs -ato wait for the popup
WOW it will say activation complete if you did it correctly.
11. repeat step 9. WOW it then says good for ever.
type exit click enter
voila your done. FULL Vista or Win7 Activated and working OK.
PS: you can also upgrade anytime to repair if corrupted.

This is not a HACK it is verified 100% legal. Instructions on how to are included with the upgrade disk manual.