Rumor - Microsoft to Release Windows Blue, the First Free Windows Ever

Hmmm...interesting... just GMTF away from Metro! :p

There is nothing wrong with Metro, Windows8. Just cause 90% of the worlds population can't figure it out, makes the other 10% I guess, gurus.

I don't think there is anything wrong with it, I just dislike it. I much prefer the traditional Windows desktop, and in fact plan on downgrading a Windows 8 Acer laptop to Windows 7. If we had the option to disable Metro, I'd use it. I know there are programs that can give you the start button back, but I feel like I shouldn't have to pay for something to use an OS how it should be to begin with IMO.
 

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Citing sources familiar with Microsoft’s plans, The Verge reports that Windows Blue is going to be released in mid-2013 and will comprise significant UI changes, most likely supposed to address the controversial Windows 8 features.

To me this statement tells me that Msoft is actually giving in to user demand's regarding the lack of traditional UI features that everyone was complaining about.

They should be allowing the options of Aero, Gadgets, Classic Start Menu, Booting Straight to Desktop, Network Mapping, all the stuff that traditional PC users are use to having and still want.
 

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Microsoft wants to Crush Linux then push Apple out of the way. Windows will then be open source, to a point. Windows will crush Apple it's coming.

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I just wish Microsoft would have given us the option to use either mode like in windows 7 one could set it up as classic mode to look like xp
 

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An attempt to keep it from being insta-pirated?

Won't work (will be insta-pirated), but other than that, open-sourcing it is a very good move. Give hackers some chew toys like that and they improve your code for free way better than a platoon of ace programmers.
 

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bobafetthotmail; open-sourcing it is a very good move. Give hackers some chew toys like that and they improve your code for free way better than a platoon of ace programmers.[/QUOTE said:
Are you sure the "hackers" are all "ace programmers"? If Microsoft can't keep a stable of ace programmers happy and truly productive how will working for free do it? You can't eat, drive, wear, or live in a reputation. Someone will have to pay for your free lunch. Who will that be and won't their interests float to the top rather than yours?

At least with Microsoft you can vote by buying or not buying their product. If the product is free, your using it or not makes not one whit of real world difference. The best you can do is complain. I suspect that will have even less impact than a complaint sent to Microsoft. After all, it is free so you will take what is offered and like it. If you don't, fix it yourself and stuff your complaint where the sun don't shine.

Are you an ace enough programmer to trust your fixes let alone anyone else? Good luck on trying to make a decent living fixing free software for free even if you are.
 

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bobafetthotmail said:
open-sourcing it is a very good move. Give hackers some chew toys like that and they improve your code for free way better than a platoon of ace programmers.

Are you sure the "hackers" are all "ace programmers"? If Microsoft can't keep a stable of ace programmers happy and truly productive how will working for free do it? You can't eat, drive, wear, or live in a reputation. Someone will have to pay for your free lunch. Who will that be and won't their interests float to the top rather than yours?

At least with Microsoft you can vote by buying or not buying their product. If the product is free, your using it or not makes not one whit of real world difference. The best you can do is complain. I suspect that will have even less impact than a complaint sent to Microsoft. After all, it is free so you will take what is offered and like it. If you don't, fix it yourself and stuff your complaint where the sun don't shine.

Are you an ace enough programmer to trust your fixes let alone anyone else? Good luck on trying to make a decent living fixing free software for free even if you are.

I'd like to note that that hasn't stopped programmers and hackers from making some awesome (and some not-so-awesome) free software, both open and closed source. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss hobbyist/free programmers and hackers if I were you.
 

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I'd like to note that that hasn't stopped programmers and hackers from making some awesome (and some not-so-awesome) free software, both open and closed source. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss hobbyist/free programmers and hackers if I were you.


Thank goodness I am not you and you are not me. If we were the same person, I would be disagreeing with myself. That would be most unseemly.

In my professional judgement (45 years as a software engineer), the vast majority of the software produced by the hobbyist/free programmers isn't worth as much as being free. I will agree that some of the software is adequate and some of that is even useful but awesome? I don't think so. Apparently my standard for awesome is a good bit higher than yours.
 

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Are you sure the "hackers" are all "ace programmers"?
Given that even without the source they can crack all software's security and DRMs within months (usually weeks) I would not dare to say they are all pussies either. And in case you haven't noticed, they to it for free already.
If Microsoft can't keep a stable of ace programmers happy and truly productive how will working for free do it?
And you say this in a place full of volunteers that "waste" their time doing techsupport for a product that isn't theirs? (a better techsupport than MS's own if I might add)
I mean, really? :geek:

Most do it to feel cool and to get more experience doing something they find fun. For hackers is basically the same (yes, it's people that enjoys writing code and using terminal/console commands, difficult to understand them). Give them a chew toy and they will jump all over it. And Windows is and has always been the mother of all chew toys in this field.

Who will that be and won't their interests float to the top rather than yours?
Most serious projects require the users to sign in and leave their signature on the additions/changes they made (safety reasons). And you know how are humans when competition kicks in... It becomes a community just like sevenforums.

At least with Microsoft you can vote by buying or not buying their product. If the product is free, your using it or not makes not one whit of real world difference.
Open-source does not mean "free". It just means that everyone can see the code. A lot of open-source projects actually protect the code with GPL licences to avoid copycats, MS can make a licence to protect their code. (and you can bet your backside that anyone trying to copycat any code from MS will get eaten alive in court). The fact that their product is free is purely coincidental.

I suspect that will have even less impact than a complaint sent to Microsoft.
negative impact? :D Seriously they don't usually care.
Microsoft lacks the resources to pay the programmers to fix and implement everything you ask, but with open-source it's more likely your complaint is heard by an idle programmer ready to do it for glory and lulz, just like hackers blow away any DRM on games for a few "thank you" on PirateBay's comments.

Then MS only has to check what code the contributors submit.

After all, it is free so you will take what is offered and like it.
Because you can always say "**** it I don't like MS's crap! I'll use the best that competition has to offer", and then go buy an overpriced locked down Mac that won't run 99% of the software you want (either games or corporate stuff), or throw yourself in the Linux jungle and at most end up with a product that isn't better than a Mac.

Are you an ace enough programmer to trust your fixes let alone anyone else?
With Open Source, you have a ridiculously huge amount of people looking at the code. The chances bad (or even malicious) code gets implemented are nearly nonexistant.
Ubuntu and similar high-end Linux distros enjoy these benefits even if their userbase sucks (number-wise) when compared with Windows.

Good luck on trying to make a decent living fixing free software for free even if you are.
It isn't the first time a particularly good rogue programmer that did something awesome gets hired by the company it was working for free.
Happens with good game modders as well (the company making the game hires them and they become part of the staff).
The "community" is actually a far better place to recruit than the standard ways, as they are usually far more motivated, and it's easier to tell who are the best guys.

If you manage to build a decent community, that is.

I will agree that some of the software is adequate and some of that is even useful but awesome? I don't think so. Apparently my standard for awesome is a good bit higher than yours.
Firefox, Chrome, Open Office and its successor Libre Office, a gazillion of very useful browser extensions, VLC are some examples of what I'd call awesome free (and open source) products.
 

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bobafetthotmail: "Given that even without the source they can crack all software's security and DRMs within months"

Gee, they have the skills of a safe cracker. Woopdedoooo! Do they break and enter locked houses and steal cars too? Not at all impressed with such illegal activities. How about doing something productive with their time, effort, and skills and actually earn a living rather than stealing stuff.
 

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Well, every one of them has a job, as they don't earn anything from what they do and they still need to eat. It's just a hobby for them, they do it because they find it fun, not for money like the bulk of criminals do.

Which is why with Open Sourcing you can attract them (and the more common benign kinds) and harness their skills for near-free (as you need some kind of infrastructure for the thing to work).

I'm reminded of a 3D puzzle game called Foldit, that is actually a way to harness human gamers to do useful research in protein folding, and is going very well. It's something that happens anyway (the gamers could play something else and will still have fun), but it can be harnessed to do useful things.
 

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Microsoft wants to Crush Linux then push Apple out of the way. Windows will then be open source, to a point.
Windows will crush Apple it's coming.


If Microsoft wants to "crush" anyone, they'll have to find something better than W8 to do it with.
 

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Microsoft wants to Crush Linux then push Apple out of the way. Windows will then be open source, to a point.
Windows will crush Apple it's coming.


If Microsoft wants to "crush" anyone, they'll have to find something better than W8 to do it with.

To be fair, Microsoft did manage to crush a lot of peoples' enthusiasm with Windows 8.
 

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FInally a true comment!

I just wish Microsoft would have given us the option to use either mode like in windows 7 one could set it up as classic mode to look like xp
It would have been nice to be included, but luckily, there's plenty of free and cheap software to add that choice...enough so that all the complaining about it is a waste of time and effort.
 

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I just wish Microsoft would have given us the option to use either mode like in windows 7 one could set it up as classic mode to look like xp
It would have been nice to be included, but luckily, there's plenty of free and cheap software to add that choice...enough so that all the complaining about it is a waste of time and effort.

Something is fundamentally wrong with W8 if you need to buy software to make it look like W7.
When I bought W7 it worked great right out of the box, no face lift needed!
 
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Something is fundamentally wrong with W8 if you need to buy software to make it look like W7.
When I bought W7 it worked great right out of the box, no face lift needed!
It would have been nice to have the option included, but you don't need to buy anything to make it look or act like Windows 7. The software is only for a Start Menu. Even then, you still can use a free alternative, or you can just use the Desktop as is.
 

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Something is fundamentally wrong with W8 if you need to buy software to make it look like W7.
When I bought W7 it worked great right out of the box, no face lift needed!
It would have been nice to have the option included, but you don't need to buy anything to make it look or act like Windows 7. The software is only for a Start Menu. Even then, you still can use a free alternative, or you can just use the Desktop as is.

Unlike W7 which is an excellent system, W8 needs a facelift right out of the box, and it's designed for tablets, PCs were supported as an afterthought.

I bought a new computer with W7 just before W8 launched for the express purpose of avoiding W8.
Since then I bought my wife an IPad Mini.
No W8.
Maybe W9, if Microsoft gets their head screwed back on straight.
 

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It's just a hobby for them, they do it because they find it fun, not for money like the bulk of criminals do.

Oh? If you don't do it for money, then it is OK to break and enter into private property? I understand that you don't think such distinctions as property are important, especially if it is intellectual property. However, it simply exposes the very low level of ethics you hold. I take it that you are ashamed to actually earn a living and to be able to pay for the things you need to live. You would much rather live off (steal) the products of other people than actually earn money to trade value for value!

As far as I am concerned, when you break and enter without my permission, I should have the right to blow you away without so much as batting an eye. The degree or lack of the protections I have in place are irrelevant. That it was MY property is sufficient reason for me. I acquired/created that property by expending MY life. You do not have a right to one nanosecond of MY life or any of my property exactly because it is MY LIFE that was the price I paid to acquire/create that property!
 

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