Microsoft to users: You'll download Windows 10, and you'll like it

[Brds7t7]

I got into the hiding of W10 prep. updates after a few had been installed, but when I uninstalled them (KB3102810 included), I lost all of the update history. Didn't lose any listing of the installed updates, just the history listing. I've not had any other repercussions from that activity. Different versions of KB3102810 must have had different effects on the various systems it "infected". This whole W10 update process has been so terribly crafted and executed, it will be a very long time before I go that route.

I wouldn't worry about that. It seems that whenever you remove a windows update client update it does somehow reset the Windows update history. It's similar to when you do a repair Install, that resets a lot of things. It won't cause any other issues though.

And I do agree, the way MS has gone about the whole 10 upgrade has been ridiculous.

 

[lehnerus2000]

MS is using the old "Annoy You Until You Comply With Our Demands" tactic:

"Why haven't you upgraded yet?"
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[FerchogtX]

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*Puts a masking tape on their mouths aka: Disables automatic updates*
Take that, MS!

 

[OvenMaster]

 

[derekimo]

I notice this update I installed today, https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3112336 It's a Win 8.1 update,

Moved the $WINDOWS.~BT from hidden to out in the open in the root of C,



That folder didn't even show up until 11/15 on my computer.

I don't know if the GWX changed at the same time but it doesn't say reserve anymore,



I'm curious to see how aggressive they get, I'm not worried about it though.

I install just about every update, no Bing or Skype, but I do it manually.

 

[Laith]

MS is using the old "Annoy You Until You Comply With Our Demands" tactic:

"Why haven't you upgraded yet?"
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LOL!

 

[Brds7t7]

Yeah, there's one been released for Windows 7 too Derek:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3112343

Another Windows update client update but judging by the description looks like it's adding some additional functionality/annoyances (delete as appropriate).

 

[ThrashZone]

Yep kb...2343 shows in the optional section for me so far
Looks like a fix from this bugger in June :/
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3050265

 

[groze]

Yeah, there's one been released for Windows 7 too Derek:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3112343

Another Windows update client update but judging by the description looks like it's adding some additional functionality/annoyances (delete as appropriate).

Assume that you use Software Update agent to apply software updates or determine the software update compliance in System Center Configuration Manager 2007 R2. Windows Update agent scans client computers periodically. In this situation, the scan fails and generates a "Not Required" state for all updates. Additionally, you receive an "8007000E" error message.

I use windows update, I don't use System Center Configuration Manager. I take it is ok to hide this. It would be pointless to install.

 

[lehnerus2000]

Indeed.

I also like the "Bart of Darkness" version:

Lisa:
Dad, as you know, we've been swimming and we've developed a taste for it. We both agree that getting a pool is the only way to go. Now before you respond, you must understand that your refusal will result in months and months of..
Bart and Lisa:
Can we have a pool, dad? Can we have a pool, dad? Can we have a pool, dad? Can we have a pool, dad? Can we have a pool, dad?
Homer:
I understand. Let us celebrate our new arrangement with the adding of chocolate to milk.

Bart of Darkness/Quotes - Simpsons Wiki - Wikia
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I wonder if MS would leave us alone if we gave them some chocolate milk?

 

[pupsealdeluxe]

I just got done with 1 of 2 builds im doing. and to get a Real lifetime disc copy of win7 i paid 250 bucks. for professional 64 and 32 bit. windows 7 has gone up ALOT in the past 6 to 9 months. windows 7 ultimate was 200 now its 400 to 450. that tells me there are a lots of folks who dont want thier xboxy intrusive win 10. and im one of them. my updates have been turned off since install under services [ really turned off ] . there are a few good short videos on youtube on how to really turn off your win 7 updates. it works but note i also had to turn my antivirus to manual updates or the darn thing turns the win 7 updates back on. trixie hobbiteszes

 

[Barman58]

The price increase is just as likely to be due to the sellers seeing an opening in the market due to Microsoft withdrawing easy access to Windows 7 installers and keys.

As with everything, else supply and demand is king - if the product is difficult to obtain it's time to raise the price - Economics 101, so should be expected.

 

[ThrashZone]

there are a few good short videos on youtube on how to really turn off your win 7 updates. it works but note i also had to turn my antivirus to manual updates or the darn thing turns the win 7 updates back on. trixie hobbiteszes

Hi,
Which antivirus does that I forgot to check your system spec's before asking incase it's listed there
But either way that is something I have never seen happen before from an antivirus program :/

Prices yep I expect you're referring to retail copies which have always run around the 200.us mark for home premium Pro well that one I never bought until yes 6-7 months ago any a oem/ system builders I got for 80.us
Just got another 7 pro 64 for 139.us from Newegg incase this 80.us one didn't activate which it did a few days ago so I just have a spare for another board

Win-10 well yep I'm not impressed either nothing new there I need or want free or not

Just looked BitDefender = good luck with that use Panda

 

[dustymars]

Finally Took the Plunge

My 6-year old eMachine got the Windows 10 burn. After a few minor problems it works fine and I will keep it until it smokes. My wife will not change to Win-10, so I will have to try to keep up with WIn-7 stuff. Oh well. My next machine may be a laptop, but I still like thin-line desktops.

 

[Bertison]

For me, it comes down to the complete ignorance and disrespect of the principle of Free Will by Microsoft. As a member of my country's Armed Forces for 12 years, I either stood against, or fought, the enemies of democracy and free will in more than one theatre. I did that as a volunteer soldier, not a conscript. That is the principle and viewpoint that repels me when Microsoft is trying to force this O/S upon my machines.

If Microsoft offers Windows 10 as a Full Retail disc, for me to own forever and use at my discretion, I would think again. That is the reality of the full copy of Windows 7 that I bought: I can uninstall it from one machine and use it on the next system I build or buy. Microsoft does not seem to understand the principle of ownership: when someone buys a car/washing machine/HiFi/ whatever, that person owns that item, until it either breaks down or they sell it on.

 

[Barman58]

You do not buy windows as an entity you buy a licence to use the software, Windows OS, on terms that you must agree to at the point of install. The Software is always sold in this form of service contract, not as goods. With all licences the type of licence is retained during upgrade to a new version of windows so the right to re-install after de-regestering on the first machine does not alter

If you get to a stage after ignoring the multiple warnings about upgrade and suitable dates, and actually find that your upgrade has started you simply decline the EULA and windows rolls back to what it was before. There are 3rd party methods to prevent update even on home versions

 

[Seffrid]

If you get to a stage after ignoring the multiple warnings about upgrade and suitable dates, and actually find that your upgrade has started you simply decline the EULA and windows rolls back to what it was before. There are 3rd party methods to prevent update even on home versions

Unfortunately there are plenty of reports that the rollback doesn't always work properly, and as a result systems can be messedup by the unwanted upgrade - something that is not helped by the way in which Microsoft have gone against the established conventions by switching the EULA to the end of the installation process rather than allowing you to decline the upgrade before it's commenced.

I agree about the 3rd party methods to prevent updates in the first place, but they really shouldn't be necessary.

 

[ThrashZone]

Looks like quite a few people not to happy with the latest round of win-10 updates
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...ues-with/8cc2af67-d1ef-43d8-8658-b5c5a69be530

 

[dustymars]

For me, it comes down to the complete ignorance and disrespect of the principle of Free Will by Microsoft. As a member of my country's Armed Forces for 12 years, I either stood against, or fought, the enemies of democracy and free will in more than one theatre. I did that as a volunteer soldier, not a conscript. That is the principle and viewpoint that repels me when Microsoft is trying to force this O/S upon my machines.

If Microsoft offers Windows 10 as a Full Retail disc, for me to own forever and use at my discretion, I would think again. That is the reality of the full copy of Windows 7 that I bought: I can uninstall it from one machine and use it on the next system I build or buy. Microsoft does not seem to understand the principle of ownership: when someone buys a car/washing machine/HiFi/ whatever, that person owns that item, until it either breaks down or they sell it on.

Wow, I beat the draft in 1960 when my DI told me while in boot camp that the Army couldn't have me, I was already in the Air Force Spent 8 years doing that. BTW, thanks for your service.

 

[roiiploe]

Microsoft does not seem to understand the principle of ownership: when someone buys a car/washing machine/HiFi/ whatever, that person owns that item, until it either breaks down or they sell it on.

Unfortunately - many do not seem to understand the principle of software licensing. We do not "own" anything - regardless if you have a disc or whatever methods you use to install. All you really have is license to use this product - one that Microsoft is allowing you to hold and one they control the usage of - as they see fit.

If they decide one day that your install key is no longer valid - and a new install of Windows 7 suddenly will not activate - there is little you can do about that.

I do agree with free will. I should have the ability to forever want to use my current "license" as I see fit.

But do not think for a moment that we actually own anything in this scenario.

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