How often do you power down?

Do you power down your PC?

  • Yes on a daily basis.

    Votes: 41 46.1%
  • Only occasionally.

    Votes: 15 16.9%
  • Never.

    Votes: 17 19.1%
  • No but I use Sleep/Hybernate mode.

    Votes: 16 18.0%

  • Total voters
    89
  • Poll closed .

bilzmale

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Perth, Western Australia
I tend to leave my PC running 24/7 except for reboots on new installs. I power down the monitor but not the PC as I get a 'hang' on a cold boot. A reboot (even from cold) works OK. I suspect a power supply or capacitor problem. When I've tried Sleep mode I get erratic behaviour on wake up.

Interested in what others do.
 

My Computer My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Mixture
OS
Win 7 Home Premium 64 bit
CPU
Phenom II X4 955 BE
Motherboard
GA-MA785GM-US2H
Memory
8GB Kingston DDR2 800
Graphics Card(s)
Sapphire HD5670 1GB.
Sound Card
Asus Xonar Essence ST
Monitor(s) Displays
Samsung P2350
Screen Resolution
1920x1080
Hard Drives
Seagate 1TB
Hitachi 1TB

WD 500GB external
PSU
Corsair VX550W
Case
Cooler Master Silio 500
Cooling
Noctua NH-U9B SE2
Keyboard
Logitech
Mouse
Evoluent Vertimouse 3 (wireless)
Internet Speed
ADSL2+
Every night. Sleep mode during the day.
 

My Computer My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
HP, Dell, Gateway, Toshiba - 4 laptops and 2 desktops
OS
Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
CPU
from 1.6GHz Duo to i7
Monitor(s) Displays
2x HP w2207
Hard Drives
5x HDD, 7x SSD, 12x Externals
Keyboard
with trackball - no mices
Mouse
Trackball mice
Internet Speed
DSL 6000
I'm guessing that what most people in this group would do is fix the computer so it operates correctly.

For the main question/poll, I put my computer to sleep if I'm going to be away for 15 minutes or more, and I shut it down if I'm going to be away for an hour or more.
Particularly now, summer in the northern hemisphere. I don't need this little space heater running if I'm not using it.

I am also a believer in restarting on a regular basis (daily, at least) just to keep the OS from "getting old". When you boot a computer everything loads fresh and the RAM registers are all lined up - no lingering artifacts of poorly written software, etc, etc. I'm amazed that people are amazed that I can "fix" their computer simply by shutting down and starting cold.
I don't buy into the "wear & tear" idea that restarting somehow wears out the parts faster. It is heat and hours that are the enemy.

As for your restarting problems: If the computer hangs or displays erratic behavior only on a cold boot (power has been off for 30 sec or more) - but boots fine on any warm boot or restart or wake from sleep - then you would be looking at a hardware problem as your most likely suspect.

But if the hangs and behaviors don't occur in that very predictable pattern, then you could also be dealing with bad or corrupted drivers, incompatible programs trying to start at start-up, missing or corrupted system files, or a virus.

Go into your Event Viewer (Start > type: Event Viewer) and under Summary of Administrative Events, look at what you have for Critical events. You can double click an event and then copy the table to post here. That may give some insight into what is causing your freezes.
 

My Computer My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Home Built - Jan 2013
OS
Windows 7 64 Bit Home Premium SP1
CPU
i7-3820
Motherboard
Asus P9X79-PRO - Bios 4608
Memory
GSkill F3-14900CL9Q - 16GB
Graphics Card(s)
EVGA GeForce GTX660 - Driver 352.86
Sound Card
On board Realtek ALC898
Monitor(s) Displays
Acer S271HL
Screen Resolution
1920 x 1080
Hard Drives
#1- Samsung 840 Pro Series
#2- Western Digital WD1002FAEX Sata3 Black
#3- Western Digital WD1002FAEX Sata3 Black
PSU
Corsair CMPSU-850TX-V2 - 850 watt (by Seasonic)
Case
Corsair Obsidian 550D
Cooling
Standard 3 120mm case fans, Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
Keyboard
MS KC-0405
Mouse
Intellimouse 5-button
Internet Speed
56 Mbits/Sec (on a good day)
Antivirus
Avast & Malwarebytes
Browser
Firefox
Other Info
Asus DVD - DRW-24B1ST 24X
Sleep mode when not in use and power down once a week.
 

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Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Dell XPS 420
OS
Windows 10, Home Clean Install
CPU
Intel Core2 processsor Q8200(2.33Ghz 1333FSB) Quad Core Tech
Motherboard
Dell
Memory
6 gb
Graphics Card(s)
ATI Radeon 256MB HD3650
Sound Card
Intergrated 7.1 Channel Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
Dell SP2009W 20"
Hard Drives
640 GB Serial ATA Hard drive
Cooling
Fan
Keyboard
Dell USB Keyboard
Mouse
Dell Premium Optical USB
Internet Speed
DSL 2.85
Power up in the docking station when I get to work.

Leave powered up as long as I am in the office.

Sleep when I leave work to either go to a client or home.

Sleep and wake up multiple times during the evening.

Power down before I leave home for work in the morning.
 

My Computer My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Dell e6410
OS
Windows 7 Pro
CPU
Intel Core i5 M520 @ 240GHz
Memory
2 Gig
Graphics Card(s)
Intel Grap
Sound Card
Intel Graphics Media Accelerator HD
Monitor(s) Displays
Built in (LapTop)
Screen Resolution
1440x900
Hard Drives
250 Gig STAT
Mouse
Logitech Bluetooth
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Always power down at night, as my Drive unit is right next to my bed and the fans, even though on low, are quite loud.

also, I need complete silence to drop off to sleep as well.

If i have stuff downloading that is taking a while i.e. games and movies, i boot up before i leave for work.

Lucky
 

My Computer My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
The HAFmeister (Custom)
OS
Windows 7 Ultimate x64 RTM + SP1
CPU
Intel Core i7 950 3.06GHZ (OC'd to 3.99Ghz)
Motherboard
Asus Rampage III Extreme x58 SATA 6GB & USB 3.0
Memory
6GB OCZ Reaper HPC Edition PC3-16000 (set 1606Mhz 8-8-8-26)
Graphics Card(s)
EVGA Nvidia Geforce GTX 570
Sound Card
Creative SB X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Professional Series
Monitor(s) Displays
Samsung SM2433BW 24" Widescreen Monitor
Screen Resolution
1920x1200
Hard Drives
Western Digital Caviar Black 500GB 32Mb Buffer SATA II
Western Digital Caviar Black 750GB 32Mb Buffer SATA II
Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 16Mb Buffer SATA II
Western Digital My Book Essential Edition 750GB USB
Samsung Spinpoint 2TB SATA II
PSU
Thermaltake Toughpower 1200w (Modular)
Case
CoolerMaster HAF-932
Cooling
Zalman Reserator XT and ZM-WB5 Plus - GPU uses Stock coolers
Keyboard
Logitech G510
Mouse
Logitech G9 Gaming Mouse
Internet Speed
3MB Profile - 350-400kbs (Real-Speed)
Other Info
IcyBox Hot-Swap Bay,
Logitech G27 Steering Wheel,
Xbox 360 Wirless Elite Controller with Microsoft Reciever and
Play & Charge Kit,
Belkin USB Wireless Adaptor,
GAME Generic Controller (Playstation Looky-Likey),
Epson SX125 All-in-One.
Sleep mode when not in use and power down once a week.
Same here. It doesn't produce any heat to speak of in the sleep mode.
 

My Computer My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Home built
OS
Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit
CPU
Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz
Motherboard
ASUS P4P800-VM Motherboard Chipset: Intel 865G + ICH5
Memory
2.50 GB RAM
Graphics Card(s)
NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GS
Sound Card
SoundMax Integrated Digital Audio (Chip)
Monitor(s) Displays
ViewSonic VX 1962 wm
Screen Resolution
1680 X 1050
Hard Drives
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 80 GB
ST380215A ATA Device 18.6 GB
Western Digital "My Book" external hard drive 750 GB
Cooling
Fan based
Keyboard
Microsoft Comfort Curve Keyboard 2000 v10 USB
Mouse
Logitec optic USB
Internet Speed
3.01 Mb/s download 0.64 Mb/s upload
First action in the morning (except the first human normal one at wake up...;)) : boot up...
Last action before sleeping : shutdown...
Between the two i shutdown if i leave more than an hour...
And in case of night tasks (downloading, uploading, defrag,...) i run a shutdown timer if possible.

system control.gadget
 
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My Computer My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Home Made 00x
OS
7Home64
CPU
AMD Phenom II x4 965 - 3,4GHz
Motherboard
Gigabyte GA-880GMA-UD2H
Memory
DDR3 1333Mhz, 8Gb (Corsair xms3 : 9, 9, 9, 24)
Graphics Card(s)
GeForce GTX550Ti 1024mb GDDR5 (Gainward)
Sound Card
Creative X-Fi ExtremeGamer
Monitor(s) Displays
Acer 27", led, full hd
Screen Resolution
1920x1080
Hard Drives
G-Skill SSD 80Gb + Kingston SSD 64Gb + WD sata 500Mb + Hitachi sata 1Tb
PSU
CombatPower 750W, 12cm fan
Case
Antec "Three Hundred", 12 + 14 cm fans
Cooling
Noctua NH-U12P (CPU) + 2xNF-B9 (HDD's) + NF-P12 (case side)
Keyboard
Logitech + Saitek "Cyborg Command Unit"
Mouse
Logitech LS1 laser
Internet Speed
4Mb/s
Other Info
6-fan-&-temp controller Scythe Kase Master Pro 5.25
I don't ever shut mine down lol

It's always running, as most of the time I put music on when I go to sleep (helps me sleep, grew up with a pair of headphones on my head, pops was a DJ).
 

My Computer My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom Built
OS
Windows 7 Ultimate
CPU
AMD Athlon II X2 245 2.90Ghz
Motherboard
Some Gigabyte one, dont remember model
Memory
3.00 GB
Graphics Card(s)
8800GTS 512MB
Sound Card
Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty
Monitor(s) Displays
Dual 22" widescreen
Hard Drives
250GB internal, 500GB internal
PSU
CORSAIR CMPSU-850TX 850W Power Supply
Case
Thermalkake Tsunami Dream
Cooling
Thermaltake Golden Orb II
Keyboard
Saitek Eclipse 2
Mouse
Logitech MX518
Mine is only on when I am using it. The rest of time it is unplugged.
 

My Computer My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Advent
OS
Dual-boot: Windows 7 HP 32-bit SP1 & Windows XP Pro 32-bit SP2.
CPU
AMD Phenom X4 9550 2.8Ghz
Motherboard
FOXCONN A6VMX (Socket 940)
Memory
4.0GB RAM
Graphics Card(s)
256MB On-board ATI Radeon X1200 Series
Sound Card
UnKnown
Monitor(s) Displays
19" TFT Mointor
Screen Resolution
1400 by 900
Hard Drives
500GB Western Digital WDC
Keyboard
HP Keyboard
Internet Speed
Dial-up via Mobile phone (Three)
Other Info
80GB External Hard-drive.

Also I have an old Windows XP Laptop for backup/occasional use etc.
I tend to leave all my PC's running 24/7 except for reboots on new installs. I power down the monitors at night while sleeping. Only completely shut off when needed, like for adding new parts, etc :geek:
 

My Computer My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Built them myself, Science Experiments !
OS
Win7 Enterprise, Win7 x86 (Ult 7600), Win7 x64 Ult 7600, TechNet RTM on AMD x64 (2.8Ghz)
CPU
AMD fx8350 4ghz, AMD-32 2400mhz, AMD-64 3200mhz, AMDx64 2.8G
Motherboard
SIS 755, ECS-K8M890M-M (Ult 7600), GigaByte & others
Memory
2gb, 4gb on the Ult 7600, 4gb on Technet RTM, 32gb on FX8350
Graphics Card(s)
Draw my own Graphics, several nVidia cards
Sound Card
on motherboard
Monitor(s) Displays
19" flat scr, 28" I-Inc widescr,22" Emprex Widescr, 23" Acer
Screen Resolution
1280 x 1024, 1440 x 900, 1920 x 1080
Hard Drives
6 pata Ide HD's & 2 Sata HD's
added 80gb external on Ult 7600 computer,
numerous extra 1tb, 2TB, 3Tb SATA HD's
A collection of ext HD Docks w/ HDs
PSU
430w, 550w, 600w, 700, 800, etc
Case
All Generic Full Towers
Cooling
Open Air & a few fans, some w/ colored LEDs
Keyboard
Compaq & Dell recycled from GoodWill
Mouse
Made in China Optical Wired Mouse
Internet Speed
Fast Cable InterNet
Antivirus
AVG Free on 24 different Desktops, NO Problems!
Browser
IE 8 is preferred, but use FireFox sometimes
Other Info
Linksys Routers, switches, & Hubs
Too Many USB Flash Drives to count, Biggest is 64GB !
Eight computers in my home network.
Sixteen computers at my business network.
Linked via TeamViewer !
Lots of old used spare computer parts everywhere!
Depend what i'm doing, voted daily basis, but it could two days because when i'm on uTorrent for Live Gigs only, it cannot turn on to sleep mode. So guess every two days!
 

My Computer My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom Build
OS
Windows 7 Professional SP1 - x64 [Non-UEFI Boot]
CPU
Ivy Bridge Core i5 3570K (Delidded)
Motherboard
Asus P8Z77-V LE PLUS
Memory
G.Skill "Ares" DDR3 PC3-12800 - 1600MHz (16Gb)
Graphics Card(s)
Asus Dual-RX480-O4G
Sound Card
Creative Sound Blaster Z w/5.1 sound system
Monitor(s) Displays
Asus IPS 23"
Screen Resolution
16/9
Hard Drives
Internal:
500Go Sata 6Gb/s (x2)
500Go Sata 3Gb/s (x2)
SSD 60Go Sata 6Gb/s
PSU
In Win C 900W Series 80+ Platinum
Case
Thermaltake Chaser A71
Cooling
Custom Water Cooling Loop
Keyboard
Cooler Master QuickFire XTi
Mouse
Razer Imperator 2012 (4G)
Antivirus
MSE
Browser
IE 11.0.xxx Rtm
Other Info
"Raid0" with Intel Smart Response Technology (HDD/SSD)
I power mine up only when I use it (which is most of the time) and power down when I'm finished with whatever I'm doing, but sometimes I hibernate it (if I have lots of stuff open and am lazy to save them or want to continue later)
 

My Computer My Computer

Computer type
Laptop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
HP EliteBook 8530w Mobile Workstation
OS
Windows 7 Ultimate x64 (XP, 98SE, 95, 3.11, DOS 7.10 on VM) + Ubuntu 10.04 LTS Lucid Lynx
CPU
Intel Core 2 Duo Processor P8600 (2.40 GHz, 3 MB L2 cache)
Motherboard
Mobile Intel PM45 Express Chipset ICH9M-Enhanced
Memory
4GB 800 MHz DDR2 SDRAM
Graphics Card(s)
ATI Mobility FireGL V5700 with 256 MB
Sound Card
SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
15.4-inch WXGA anti-glare (1280 x 800 resolution)
Screen Resolution
1280 x 800
Hard Drives
500GB + 1TB
Mouse
Synaptics PS/2 Port Touchpad, USB Mouse
Internet Speed
4 Mbps
Antivirus
MSE
Browser
Firefox, Chrome, IE
Other Info
Authentec AES2810 Fingerprint Reader
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I leave my server on 24x7...but all of my desktops get shut off if I am not going to use them for a couple of hours. These machines just suck up quite a bit of power these days with high end cards and such that leaving them always on is just wasting money in my opinion.
 

My Computer My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Self-Built in July 2009
OS
Windows 7 Ultimate x64
CPU
Intel Q9550 2.83Ghz OC'd to 3.40Ghz
Motherboard
Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R rev. 1.1, F12 BIOS
Memory
8GB G.Skill PI DDR2-800, 4-4-4-12 timings
Graphics Card(s)
EVGA 1280MB Nvidia GeForce GTX570
Sound Card
Realtek ALC899A 8 channel onboard audio
Monitor(s) Displays
23" Acer x233H
Screen Resolution
1920x1080
Hard Drives
Intel X25-M 80GB Gen 2 SSD
Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black, 32MB cache. WD1001FALS
PSU
Corsair 620HX modular
Case
Antec P182
Cooling
stock
Keyboard
ABS M1 Mechanical
Mouse
Logitech G9 Laser Mouse
Internet Speed
15/2 cable modem
Other Info
Windows and Linux enthusiast. Logitech G35 Headset.
same as pparks1 above, desktop machines are only powered when they need to be - saves money, noise, and wear and tear on fans etc. it doesn't take long to boot 'em up if i need them.

i've been playing around with windows home server for a day or two, that stays on 24/7 - luckily it's a really quiet box drawing low power.
 

My Computer My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
mickey megabyte 1234
OS
ultimate 64 sp1
CPU
i5 2500K [email protected]
Motherboard
MSI P67A-GD53
Memory
8 gigs GSkill Ripjaws 1600
Graphics Card(s)
amd hd6950
Sound Card
creative x-fi gamer
Monitor(s) Displays
samsung 24"
Screen Resolution
1920x1080
Hard Drives
ocz vertex 2e 60 gig, samsung f3 1tb, buffalo 2tb ext
PSU
antec 550
Case
antec three hundred
Cooling
i'm a cooling fan
Keyboard
saitek eclipse ii
Mouse
logitech g3
Internet Speed
about 4 Mbps
Other Info
i love win7
I pay attention to my ram usage. At first boot it's usually at about 19% at idle. When it gets to 30%+, I usually power down. Pretty much just a quirk that I've carried over from Windows 95.

I use sleep exclusively when away from it for any length of time. I also turn off the monitors because of the horror stores I've read about monitor files. I'd rather do something that may not be necessary than to wish I had.
 

My Computer My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Self build
OS
Windows 10 Home
CPU
Intel Core i5 3550
Motherboard
ASUS P8Z77-V LX (LGA1155)
Memory
Corsair Vengeance DDR3 16GB
Graphics Card(s)
Nvidia GEForce GTX 970 SSC
Monitor(s) Displays
Hanns-G 23.6", Acer 17"
Screen Resolution
1920x1080, 1440x900
Hard Drives
Sandisk SSD 256 GB
WD500GB
WD640GB
Seagage Ultra + 1TB ext.
BWD 800GB
WD 1TB ext
PSU
Antec 650w
Case
Cooler Master Centurion 534
Cooling
COOLER MASTER GeminII S524, 3 120 mm case fans.
Keyboard
Logitech MK300
Mouse
Logitech MK300
Internet Speed
Cable
Antivirus
MSSE, Malwarebytes
Browser
IE 10, Chrome
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monitor files?

do you mean flies?

i notice that in the summer they love to poop on my screens. :eek: anyone else have this problem? :sick:
 

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Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
mickey megabyte 1234
OS
ultimate 64 sp1
CPU
i5 2500K [email protected]
Motherboard
MSI P67A-GD53
Memory
8 gigs GSkill Ripjaws 1600
Graphics Card(s)
amd hd6950
Sound Card
creative x-fi gamer
Monitor(s) Displays
samsung 24"
Screen Resolution
1920x1080
Hard Drives
ocz vertex 2e 60 gig, samsung f3 1tb, buffalo 2tb ext
PSU
antec 550
Case
antec three hundred
Cooling
i'm a cooling fan
Keyboard
saitek eclipse ii
Mouse
logitech g3
Internet Speed
about 4 Mbps
Other Info
i love win7
Very rarely do I need to power down. Only when I need to change something.
 

My Computer My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
self built
OS
Windows 7 Professional 64-bit
CPU
Intel E8400 3GHz
Motherboard
Intel DX48BT2
Memory
Kingston PC3-10700H 4Gb
Graphics Card(s)
XFX Radeon HD 5850 BlackEd.
Sound Card
Asus Xonar DG
Monitor(s) Displays
2x Samsung SM-T220HD 22"
Screen Resolution
1680x1050 on two monitors
Hard Drives
OCZ Vertex 2 120gb 3.5" (OS)
Seagate Momentus XT 500gb
Samsung F3 1Tb (games)
2x Samsung F1 1Tb
PSU
Thermaltake ToughPower 850w
Case
Thermaltake Armor
Cooling
Scythe Mugen II
Keyboard
Microsoft Comfort Curve USB
Mouse
Razer Diamondback 3G
Internet Speed
8128/443
I power down generally once a week, but I use sleep mode if I'm going to be away form the computer for more than a half hour.
 

My Computer My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
OS
Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit SP1 (desktop)
CPU
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400
Motherboard
Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS3R
Memory
2x 2GB OCZ DDR II SDRAM PC2-6400
Graphics Card(s)
NVIDIA GeForce 9400GT
Monitor(s) Displays
HP 2009m(primary), Acer P191W
Screen Resolution
1600x900, 1440x900
Hard Drives
Internal:WD Caviar Black 640GB 32MB cache 7200RPM
External:Samsung Story Station 1TB HDD desktop drive
500GB Toshiba portable drive
PSU
Antec Earthwatts EA500D
Case
Antec Sonata III
Cooling
4 fans
Keyboard
Logitech Wave
Mouse
Logitech M-SBF90
Internet Speed
Slow due to home Wireless-G router
Antivirus
MSE, Hitman Pro, Malwarebytes
Browser
Chrome and Palemoon
Other Info
Laptop....Acer 5750Z-4835
15.6" HD Widescreen CineCrystal™ LED-backlit LCD Display: (1366x768 resolution, 16:9 aspect ratio)
Intel® Pentium® Processor B940 (2.0GHz, 2MB L3 cache)
Windows® 7 Home Premium,500GB Hard Drive,4GB DDR3 RAM, Intel® HD Graphics,8X DVD-Super Multi Double-Layer Drive
Multi-in-1 Digital Media Card Reader,802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi
Chrome and Palemoon, MSE, Hitman Pro
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Power

I pretty much operate like Cato. I watch my ram usage and reboot accordingly some times. Once in a while I reboot because something is not working quite right (not a common occurence). I use sleep mode because I have had some problems with hibernate.
 

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Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
BGC (Bob's Garage Crew)
OS
win 7 X64 Ultimate SP1
CPU
I3770K
Motherboard
Asus P8Z77-V Deluxe
Memory
G Skill F3-14900CL9-4GBXL x 4
Graphics Card(s)
NVIDIA GeForce GTX670 + Intel 4000
Sound Card
Realtek HD 5.1 (MOB)
Monitor(s) Displays
Asus VW224T (1)
Screen Resolution
1920 x 1080
Hard Drives
SATA Corsair Force GT 2.5" 180GB (System) Sata 3
OCZ Vertex3 120GB
OCZ Vertex 2 120GB 2.5" SATA II
ST31000524AS 1000.2GB
WD15EARS (External)
PSU
CoolerMaster 1000 Watt
Case
CoolerMaster HAF X
Cooling
CPU -- CoolerMaster 520N
Keyboard
MS Wireless 3000 V2
Mouse
MS Wireless 3000 V2
Internet Speed
Cable
Antivirus
Norton Internet Security
Browser
IE9
Other Info
AMI Bios 1805
OC'd 3%
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