New Bill Would Require U.S. ISPs to Block Pirate Sites

[RST101]

Blocking known sites that deal in illegal products doesn't bother me. It's about time. Many people use torrents to get something they don't want to pay for but they should pay for. Now some worry about the poor old server, Bull Droppings. I read it all and I didn't notice anything about blocking sites with opinions given. We protects banks not because everybody is a bank robber but rather because there are bank robbers. Putting locks on banks don't stop all bank robbers, just most of them. The same with blocking known illegal sites. It will stop most from using them but not all.

Most bank robbers don't wear hoods and masks, they are cleverly disguised in a suit(sometimes pin stripe) and address you as Sir because they want to lure you into a false sense of security.

Wanting to control the internet would be hard unless you got the good old people to believe the same type of propaganda and declare war on those pirates, that'll get the good folk on side.

Cant you see this is just a method for control of the internet - nothing more nothing
less.

And as John Gilmore says:

"The internet sees censorship as damage and routes around it"

 

[pparks1]

a lot of the software market is artificially sustained in the first place because hardware manufacturers are subsidized by microsoft and 3rd party software companies who pay them to install trial software.

It all happens because consumers want the absolute lowest price they can get for anything and thus deal with the trialware as it does get them the box for a reduced price. The question is whether it's worth the savings. I would personally pay a few bucks extra to get it clean...but most people would not feel the same way...and thus vendors and such simply don't offer it. Look how hard it is to get a clean Windows install disc out of the deal...they always want you to restore back to their factory image (of course, I see where this helps them during the warranty phase and such where the base installs are the same).

Most applications have open source equivalents that work just as well but are only available in linux, but I know for a fact that most major personal computer manufacturers don't offer linux as an OS option because Microsoft would yank their manufacturers' license to install windows if they did.

I think that many of the great open source apps are available in both Windows and Linux. I'm sure there are some which are not available. It is sad that contracts with Microsoft do preclude people's ability to purchase other OS's installed...but being a linux user myself, I realize the mass market doesn't really want it anyway..so it doesn't bother me in the least that I have to install it myself. What does bother me, is that I struggle to buy a machine retail with no OS and get it for a few dollars less. Seems dumb to "have" to pay for Windows, when I have no intention of using it. But that's what self building machines is for.

pparks1 I've read most of your posts here. You must understand that piracy is subject to opinion. There are plenty of musicians, actors and so on out there who advocate file sharing.

Yes, there are some and some of them even give their stuff away on their websites. I have no problems with this type of file sharing.

Hypothetically if I buy an album and want to send it to friend why shouldn't I? I paid for it. If I want to give it to multiple friends why shouldn't I?

While this might be a little iffy in the legal sense, I don't see a huge issue with it. Should your friends copy it...probably not. But if they just listen to it or watch it..I don't see the difference between you inviting them over to your house and listening and watching. But giving it away to just anybody in the world, that is a much different animal.

You said about Adobe charging for Photoshop and how maybe they would charge less for it if everybody stopped pirating and bought it. You best believe they wouldn't.

I said, if people stopped pirating photoshop and instead got behind other project like The Gimp (or any other thing), and this other solution really took off, became very feature rich and easier to use with a much lower pricetag than Photoshop...then Adobe might take notice and make some changes.

 

[SoLoR]

I wish people would spend a fraction of the time spent to police child pornography networks, rather than making millionaires more money. Somewhere along the line our values have been skewed, when we are more concerned with intellectual property rights than child porno and the trafficing of children.

dont worry... you can still buy a gun easy and shoot your self if you dont like it! (/sarcasm).

 

[24c]

Dont forget Maid Merian!!

She wore tights????

 

[geekfreak]

I wish people would spend a fraction of the time spent to police child pornography networks, rather than making millionaires more money. Somewhere along the line our values have been skewed, when we are more concerned with intellectual property rights than child porno and the trafficing of children.

dont worry... you can still buy a gun easy and shoot your self if you dont like it! (/sarcasm).

fairclough is right. sarcasm or not the comment was unwarranted.

 

[24c]

Taking something that doesn't belong to you is wrong. Feel free to justify it all you want/ need to - it is still wrong.

Like I said earlier, according to copyright laws you aren't even aloud to lend, yes lend the media you purchase. Now I've never met anybody who doesn't do that. So it makes me smile when people high and mighty about piracy.

So where does it stop? Go round fining people for letting their mate watch a DVD they bought.

If the copyright law says no lending, and you lend, it is breaking the law. I don't care how many do it, it is still against the law.
If being against piracy makes me "high and mighty", so be it, I've been called worse.

It used to amaze me how people could justify their bad/illegal behavior, but after listening to inmates for 20 years, I now kind of expect it.

As of now, this thread will be dubbed Win7Forums Correctional Facility.

 

[lorddenis]

Dont forget Maid Merian!!

who is that ?

 

[24c]

Dont forget Maid Merian!!

who is that ?

You don't know Robin Hood's main squeeze - hot chick who lived in the castle and ventured into the forest for................a meaningful relationship?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WERMGYQBXwc

 

[OneSerious]

If the copyright law says no lending, and you lend, it is breaking the law. I don't care how many do it, it is still against the law.
If being against piracy makes me "high and mighty", so be it, I've been called worse.

It used to amaze me how people could justify their bad/illegal behavior, but after listening to inmates for 20 years, I now kind of expect it.

As of now, this thread will be dubbed Win7Forums Correctional Facility.

So are you saying that you have never borrowed or loaned anybody any media that you have purchased, and as such not broken the same copyright laws that pirates do?

 

[lorddenis]

oh that mary. :roflmao:for the vid. its awsome.

i think this thread shuld be closed because this conversation leads no where. there are pirats and there will alway's will be.

and if i where an american i wouldnt support this bill or what ever it is. because
1 they only do it for the money. evry antipiracy angency is like that so is the goverment.
2 it will never stop. first block the pirates. then and idea the goverment doesnt like etc

 

[24c]

If the copyright law says no lending, and you lend, it is breaking the law. I don't care how many do it, it is still against the law.
If being against piracy makes me "high and mighty", so be it, I've been called worse.

It used to amaze me how people could justify their bad/illegal behavior, but after listening to inmates for 20 years, I now kind of expect it.

As of now, this thread will be dubbed Win7Forums Correctional Facility.

So are you saying that you have never borrowed or loaned anybody any media that you have purchased, and as such not broken the same copyright laws that pirates do?

If I did it, if you did it, is not the issue - wrong is wrong. Your statements just adds to my point of justifying behavior, thank you.

No offense meant, just further adds to my view about people, me included rationalizing/justifying behavior. (I've got 4 ex-wives that could add a list of things here, thank God none of them can read or write.)

 

[24c]

oh that mary. :roflmao:for the vid. its awsome.

i think this thread shuld be closed because this conversation leads no where. there are pirats and there will alway's will be.

and if i where an american i wouldnt support this bill or what ever it is. because
1 they only do it for the money. evry antipiracy angency is like that so is the goverment.
2 it will never stop. first block the pirates. then and idea the goverment doesnt like etc

I gotta agree with this - PANCAKE TIME!

 

[geekfreak]

Taking something that doesn't belong to you is wrong. Feel free to justify it all you want/ need to - it is still wrong.

Like I said earlier, according to copyright laws you aren't even aloud to lend, yes lend the media you purchase. Now I've never met anybody who doesn't do that. So it makes me smile when people high and mighty about piracy.

So where does it stop? Go round fining people for letting their mate watch a DVD they bought.

If the copyright law says no lending, and you lend, it is breaking the law. I don't care how many do it, it is still against the law.
If being against piracy makes me "high and mighty", so be it, I've been called worse.

It used to amaze me how people could justify their bad/illegal behavior, but after listening to inmates for 20 years, I now kind of expect it.

As of now, this thread will be dubbed Win7Forums Correctional Facility.

dude the real issue as stated over and over and over again saying this bill is not about the copyright holders, that is a smokescreen, and the bill it is really only about one thing and only one thing, and that is to block what we see and here curtailing our right to free speech.

 

[geekfreak]

oh that mary. :roflmao:for the vid. its awsome.

i think this thread shuld be closed because this conversation leads no where. there are pirats and there will alway's will be.

and if i where an american i wouldnt support this bill or what ever it is. because
1 they only do it for the money. evry antipiracy angency is like that so is the goverment.
2 it will never stop. first block the pirates. then and idea the goverment doesnt like etc

nothing wrong with the thread.

 

[madtownidiot]

I think people who would argue to have this thread closed are simply afraid of a healthy debate.

 

[pparks1]

I think people who would argue to have this thread closed are simply afraid of a healthy debate.

I agree. I don't think conversations like this are pointless at all...they help to get opposing viewpoints on the table. I've often reconsidered a point on my stance based on others views that are presented in a way that I haven't seen before.

I realize that I ride upon a pretty high horse on my viewpoint. It's not news to me. But I'm happy with the fact that I have found a way to do everything that I want to do on my computer without having to resort to piracy. And I consider myself very lucky that when I do stumble upon a commercial app that I feel that I have to have, that I can simply pay for it and move on.

But I think everybody has remained civil towards each other and I see no reason why a thread like this should be closed.

 

[OneSerious]

If I did it, if you did it, is not the issue - wrong is wrong. Your statements just adds to my point of justifying behavior, thank you.

No offense meant, just further adds to my view about people, me included rationalizing/justifying behavior. (I've got 4 ex-wives that could add a list of things here, thank God none of them can read or write.)

I'm not trying to justify what I do. I'm fine with it. My gripe is that so many people go round acting like they would never contribute to the "problem" of piracy getting high and mighty about it from a legal stand point. Since even the smallest thing like lending falls under the exact same category and lets be honest, probably 99% of people are guilty of that, where do you draw the line? So it is the issue.

It can't be had both ways. Somebody can't say they don't advocate piracy sites it's against the copyright law but in the same breath say they're happy to lend when it breaks the exact same.

 

[madtownidiot]

Except for a bit of mindless sarcasm in a couple of the posts here, I find it quite interesting to read other peoples' opinions on the matter. I'm inclined to believe that when you buy something, it's yours to do whatever you want with it, but that in the case of digital media and software, people should buy their own copy if they want to use it. There would be no motivation to be creative if there nobody were compensated for use of their abilities.. and IMO that's the true purpose of patents and copyrights.

On the other hand, I think any law can be twisted and abused.. The DMCA prohibits reverse engineering for example. A good idea on the face of it, but it has been interpreted in many instances to mean it's illegal to attempt to improve on someone elses' ideas and create something better. As I've said before if that concept had been applied to all technology a century ago, we wouldn't be anywhere near as technologically advanced as we've become. In many cases, copyright and anti-piracy laws are used to stifle innovation, which is just as wrong as outright stealing.

 

[geekfreak]

I think people who would argue to have this thread closed are simply afraid of a healthy debate.

Triple A+

 

[BCXtreme]

I also feel the need to point out that there is a difference between what is illegal and what is wrong. While illegal things are often wrong, and vice versa, this is not always true. Piracy is stealing, taking something that doesn't belong to you, and thus it is morally wrong. Lending someone a CD is not stealing, and while it may be illegal, it is not morally wrong. Personally, any law that says you are not allowed to lend/give your property to another is condoning extortion. If you loan a friend a CD, he can listen to it and if he likes it, he will/should buy his own copy. If you CAN'T loan him the CD, he has to buy it just to find out if he likes it. Or else he doesn't buy it at all and just forgets about it. Either way, by making loans illegal, you've turned a win/win situation into either a win/lose or a lose/lose situation.