Nvidia in Crisis

kubotabx2200 said:

I just bought a EVGA GTX 260 Core 216 from Dell for $125 after rebate and I have it overclocked to 720 MHz (the default is 576 MHz). This video card is fast as blazes.

still slower than the 4890, 5850, and the 5870

ThePizzaMan said:

kubotabx2200 said:

I just bought a EVGA GTX 260 Core 216 from Dell for $125 after rebate and I have it overclocked to 720 MHz (the default is 576 MHz). This video card is fast as blazes.

still slower than the 4890, 5850, and the 5870

So? If he's happy with it, that's all that matters. You're not exactly running the latest hardware.

torrentg said:

Maybe, but I overclock my 3850 to 800+ Mhz and the 256 bit GDDR3 to 2350 Mhz...all on AGP bus lol. I do what I can. *shrugs*

(only reason I say is because I see people swearing you need PCI-e)

Nvidia stopped supporting AGP after the 7800 though

Everlong18 said:

ThePizzaMan said:

kubotabx2200 said:

I just bought a EVGA GTX 260 Core 216 from Dell for $125 after rebate and I have it overclocked to 720 MHz (the default is 576 MHz). This video card is fast as blazes.

still slower than the 4890, 5850, and the 5870

So? If he's happy with it, that's all that matters. You're not exactly running the latest hardware.

true... but he had money to blow at the moment.... no job... therefore no computer upgrades\new guitars\car\music\anything at all! haha

ok...more bad news

Fermi in trouble?

We all know it is constantly being delayed - but at the end of all those delays, what we were expecting was a stellar product from Nvidia. However, with today's press release, certain inconvenient details are revealed. Let's forget about the delays for now, and just consider the product itself.

The first Fermi GPU - GF100 - as we know for a while now, is a 3 billion transistor giant, taking a die size of around 500 mm2. Compare this with the 2.15 billion transistor, 330 mm2 Cypress on the same 40nm TSMC process, and you would be expecting a different class of product. Unfortunately, the details revealed today about cast an uncertain shadow over this basic assumption.

The first thing worth noticing is a complete and total absence of Single Precision performance figures or any comparison to direct competition - i.e. ATI's GPGPUs. It is clear that Fermi's real performance advantage would be Double Precision performance - had it hit the right clock speeds.

However, today's press release suggests Nvidia have missed target speeds by a lot. To be fair, Tesla products do clock lower, though not by much. In fact, GTX 280 and Tesla C1060 were clocked the same. Even taking a generous increase for Geforce products, things are still uncertain. As a result, DP performance is rated at between 520 GFlops and 630 GFlops. Suddenly, ATI Radeon HD 5870 - which wasn't even supposed to be a direct competitor - is performing right on par with 544 GFlops against Fermi's supposed strong point.

Consider Single Precision - far more important for gaming graphics, and things turn rather ugly. GF100's target speeds were reported to be...

source

& here's another ''semiacurate'' report.....

SemiAccurate :: Fermi massively misses clock targets


the more i hear about this new architecture, the more i realize its not geared towards gamers AT ALL!!

check out this interview ....i quote.

''this is to be the new engine of science''




TBH i think were seeing Nvidia take a backstep from the gaming market...

more......

According to specifications based on NV100 A2 silicon [subject to change], C2050 will deliver 520 GFLOPS of IEEE 754-2008 Dual Precision format and 1.040 TFLOPS of single precision. C2070 stands a bit better, 630 GLOPS of Dual-Precision and 1.26 TFLOPS in Single Precision. The single-precision numbers are the inconvenient reason why nVidia didn't mention single-precision performance on any of the Tesla launch slides. The numbers are a pretty big letdown, given that you can buy an EVGA's factory overclocked GT200-based GTX 285 FTW board, packing 1.063 single-precision TFLOPS. Truth to be told, previous generation Tesla C1060 only delivered 933 GFLOPS SP and mere 77 GLOPS in Dual Precision so scientific community can be happy with the precision increase.

As far as consumer products go, NV100 will be a tough sell from the numbers game, as 15-month old ATI Radeon HD 4870 has equal amount of computational horsepower as the upcoming GeForce GTX 300 series with 1 and 1.5GB of GDDR5 memory. When we take a look at 2.72 TFLOPS delivered by ATI Radeon HD 5870 or the imminent launch of AMD's Hemlock, a dual-GPU board which according to Rick Bergman features "5 TFLOPS out of this baby" for $599.

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sigh......... as much as i wanna belive NV are doing ok, it seems the reality is slightly different.

Nvidia - The way it used to be played

Goodbye competitive pricing

smarteyeball said:

Nvidia - The way it used to be played

Goodbye competitive pricing

i know........ its a real bummer, my hand is now going to be forced towards ATI...at whatever sky high prices they magic up in their heads

i mean look at this.... a HD5970 in the UK right now is going for £573 , the MSRP is $599 (£353), look at the extortionate mark up as soon as it hits out shores...

H597F2GDG HIS ATI Radeon 5970 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card + DIRT 2 725MHz Core, 2048MB 4000MHz GDDR5 Memory, 3200 Stream Processors, PCI-E 2.0, CrossfireX Ready, ATI Eyefinity, ATI Stream, ATI Avivo HD, 2Year Warranty : novatech.co.uk

the fact they have no direct competition is gonna keep the 5 series mark ups through the roof.....


its annoying