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Windows 7: New Gaming PC Suggestions?

16 Jul 2010   #11
Lordbob75

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, Mint 9
 
 

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... Generally its a good idea to match Intel with nvidia and AMD with ATI although you dont have to by any means...
I also have no wish to start an argument, but this is unfounded nonsense. ATI cards work equally well with AMD chipsets, Intel chipsets and even nVidia chipsets. There's no basis in reality for the claim to the contrary; it's all urban myth.
Exactly. People need to stop saying that. Its just stupid.

I would actually recommend the new 6 score AMD chip, black edition preferably. It is similar in performance, but literally 1/5 the cost.
Newegg.com - AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition Thuban 3.2GHz 6 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Six-Core Desktop Processor HDT90ZFBGRBOX

The 480 and 5970 are similar in price, so that is more a matter of preference.
I will say that I have never had a driver issue with NVidia, but I did with ATI.

~Lordbob


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16 Jul 2010   #12
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

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I would actually recommend the new 6 score AMD chip, black edition preferably. It is similar in performance, but literally 1/5 the cost.
Newegg.com - AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition Thuban 3.2GHz 6 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Six-Core Desktop Processor HDT90ZFBGRBOX
Uh....the 6 core AMD doesn't perform any better than most of the middle of the road Core i5 CPU's. This has been discussed quite a bit around here and consensus is that the Core i5's and Core i7's are much better performing. While it's 1/5 the cost, there is a reason.

Edit: here is one of the links used showing scores and benchmarks: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...t_6.html#sect0

The Intel Core i5-750 is about $195, while the 1090T is around $295 and the Intel chip pretty much performs better in more benchmarks than not. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-215-_-Product

And here, one of our members (A Guy), references Tom's Hardware listing other Intel CPU's that perform similarly to the AMD-1090T 6 core
https://www.sevenforums.com/843127-post26.html
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16 Jul 2010   #13
Lordbob75

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, Mint 9
 
 

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I would actually recommend the new 6 score AMD chip, black edition preferably. It is similar in performance, but literally 1/5 the cost.
Newegg.com - AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition Thuban 3.2GHz 6 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Six-Core Desktop Processor HDT90ZFBGRBOX
Uh....the 6 core AMD doesn't perform any better than most of the middle of the road Core i5 CPU's. This has been discussed quite a bit around here and consensus is that the Core i5's and Core i7's are much better performing. While it's 1/5 the cost, there is a reason.

Edit: here is one of the links used showing scores and benchmarks: Six Cores from AMD: AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition and Phenom II X6 1055T CPU Review (page 6) - X-bit labs

And here, one of our members (A Guy), references Tom's Hardware listing other Intel CPU's that perform similarly to the AMD-1090T 6 core
https://www.sevenforums.com/843127-post26.html
Wow, thats interesting. I didn't know that. I just assumed it would be better.

In that case, I would STILL recommend going with a black edition AMD simply because $1000 on a CPU is ridiculous.

~Lordbob
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16 Jul 2010   #14
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

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Wow, thats interesting. I didn't know that. I just assumed it would be better.

In that case, I would STILL recommend going with a black edition AMD simply because $1000 on a CPU is ridiculous.

~Lordbob
I agree that for most of us, $1,000 is crazy. I would never do it, nor ever get the bang for the buck out of it. But for those who have to have the bragging rights or want the absolute best regardless of cost...it's there for them.

I wouldn't go AMD. The black edition 1090T is $295...while the better performing Core i5-750 is only $195. I'd be using an Intel without question.

AMD had their day...it was after the Pentium 4...when the AMD Athlon 64 X2's where the cat's pajamas and had best bang for the buck. However, since the core 2 duo, core 2 quad and Core i3/i5/i7 arrivals....AMD has been playing second fiddle without a strong enough price discount to make them a serious threat to people who really value performance and price. Those who are using AMD's are often just AMD fanboys and make their decision based upon that fact.
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16 Jul 2010   #15
Lordbob75

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, Mint 9
 
 

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Wow, thats interesting. I didn't know that. I just assumed it would be better.

In that case, I would STILL recommend going with a black edition AMD simply because $1000 on a CPU is ridiculous.

~Lordbob
I agree that for most of us, $1,000 is crazy. I would never do it, nor ever get the bang for the buck out of it. But for those who have to have the bragging rights or want the absolute best regardless of cost...it's there for them.

I wouldn't go AMD. The black edition 1090T is $295...while the better performing Core i5-750 is only $195.
Is that one unlocked to overclocked?

~Lordbob
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16 Jul 2010   #16
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

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Is that one unlocked to overclocked?

~Lordbob
Unlocked? No
Overclockable? Yes
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16 Jul 2010   #17
Lordbob75

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, Mint 9
 
 

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Is that one unlocked to overclocked?

~Lordbob
Unlocked? No
Overclockable? Yes
That is a big difference though. I know the locked ones are a pain to overclock and you can't get very far with them...
But the BE AMDs are all unlocked at a more or less reasonable price compared to the unlocked Intel ones. That is my point.

~Lordbob
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16 Jul 2010   #18
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

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That is a big difference though. I know the locked ones are a pain to overclock and you can't get very far with them...
But the BE AMDs are all unlocked at a more or less reasonable price compared to the unlocked Intel ones. That is my point.

~Lordbob
Not really a big deal. Most Intel processors have been locked. My E8400 and my Q9550 are both locked CPU's and both have been an absolute breeze to overclock. My E8400 went from 3.0Ghz to 3.62Ghz on stock cooling while my Q9550 went from 2.83Ghz to 3.20Ghz on stock cooling. Both of these chips can go much further with 3rd party coolers.

And besides, why spend more on the AMD chip, to then just have to tinker with overclocking and get it stable...when you can go Intel and save money and have a faster chip without even bothering with overclocking? And if you want to overclock, you are only going to make it even faster and still have saved money.

In my opinion, it's not worth $100 more to have the AMD simply because it's unlocked from a multiplier standpoint.
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16 Jul 2010   #19
thefabe

Windows 7 ultimate 64 bit / XP Home sp3
 
 

I would just like to add whatever way you decide to go, don't forget to buy a quality power supply.
Check the motherboard manufacturers recommended Ram if available to avoid any problems with temperamental ram/mb combination.
I'm going to be building a new system soon and am looking at the i7 920 or 930 the x58 chipset and hopefully Mushkin Ram, probably a couple of GTX460's a 800w modular PUS, a full tower with cutouts for CPU changing without having to remove the MB and good cable management the largest SSD available and a 1 or 1.5 terabyte internal drive with the blu ray optical I already have. And either stick with the H50 CPU water cooler or The Ultra chillTec. But then I'm not planning on spending 5k for a system I just don't see any need for it for what I use my system for. My 2cents worth. Fabe
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16 Jul 2010   #20
Lordbob75

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, Mint 9
 
 

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That is a big difference though. I know the locked ones are a pain to overclock and you can't get very far with them...
But the BE AMDs are all unlocked at a more or less reasonable price compared to the unlocked Intel ones. That is my point.

~Lordbob
Not really a big deal. Most Intel processors have been locked. My E8400 and my Q9550 are both locked CPU's and both have been an absolute breeze to overclock. My E8400 went from 3.0Ghz to 3.62Ghz on stock cooling while my Q9550 went from 2.83Ghz to 3.20Ghz on stock cooling. Both of these chips can go much further with 3rd party coolers.

And besides, why spend more on the AMD chip, to then just have to tinker with overclocking and get it stable...when you can go Intel and save money and have a faster chip without even bothering with overclocking? And if you want to overclock, you are only going to make it even faster and still have saved money.

In my opinion, it's not worth $100 more to have the AMD simply because it's unlocked from a multiplier standpoint.
That makes sense, and I do agree.

I was thinking that he would probably be overclocking. I still think $1000 for Intel's CPU is just ridiculous.

~Lordbob
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