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Windows 7: Am I doing something Wrong?

03 Aug 2010   #41
glennc

Windows 7 Ultimate
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by glennc View Post
I shut it down at night and when the box is off and the monitor show it's off, then I turn the UPS off.

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Turning it off doesn't protect you from electrical surges unless you unplug from the outlet… and if you're going to do that... why have a UPS, or surge protector in the first place.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by glennc View Post
If you turn the surge suppressor off, doesn't that disconnect the line voltage from the surge protection circuits and the outlet strip? I hear but I readily confused.
My question is why??? Would you want to turn it off??? This defeats the purpose of having one in the first place!

Here's the other side of the coin.... If the surge protector/UPS is STILL plugged into the outlet, and even though it's turned off, and you have a huge electrical surge, say lightning strike, are the items connected to the surge protector still protected? I think not! But….that would depend on the rating of the UPS/Surge Protector.

My point... even though the surge protector/UPS is "turned off", it STILL doesn't mean you're protected from an electrical surge if it's STILL plugged into the outlet, thus turning it off it useless. You have more protection leaving it on!!!

Have a look at these….
HowStuffWorks "Surge Protector Ratings"
How UPS Devices Work - Types of uninterruptible power sources - Softpedia

Good luck.
Howdy sygnus21,
Thank you for the links. The more I know the more dangerous I become
Appreciate your time.
glennc


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03 Aug 2010   #42
westom

 
 


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by glennc View Post
What an excellent explanation for the uninitiated. I appreciate it, very much. So I need to keep in mind when three years are up. Do you know of any software that would test the battery beyond what is included in the APC software. I don't have any tests at all.
All tests are done in hardware. Software never tests anything. Software can only talk to and read hardware that must first exist.

Your best test (without $20 or $2000 test equipments - and yes even $20 test device would answer). Power up the computer and peripherals. Yank the UPS power cord from the wall. How long does the UPS operate? As usual, the only useful answers come with a number - this time in minutes.

That ten second startup test is doing same thing. But too short to have a useful answer. That start up test is not monitoring AC line stability. It is testing the battery as fast as possible.

Now, does not matter whether the UPS is on or off. The same tiny surge protector circuit remains connected.

Meanwhile, with the UPS on or off, appliances are still connected directly to AC mains. The protector circuit is as tiny and unproductive as possible – and still declares surge protection in its sales brochure.

Nothing sits between the appliance and AC mains. Nothing between AC mains and appliance to stops a destructive surge – despite so many myths that say otherwise.

When powered off, a power strip protector inside the UPS remains connected to AC mains.

sygnus21 - that HowStuffWorks citation is chock full of obvious electrical lies. So many lies that long posts only discuss the lies on the first pages. HowStuffWorks is a first indication that one has near zero electrical knowledge. Needs to learn some first semester electrical concepts. Is easily deceived by hearsay. HowStuffWorks was one cited in a Wikipedia article on surge protection. Then was removed for being bogus. There is no polite way around a reality that obscene. One must have insufficient electrical knowledge to think that HowStuffWorks citation is honest.

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03 Aug 2010   #43
sygnus21

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

Thanks, though you did agree with most of what I said
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03 Aug 2010   #44
glennc

Windows 7 Ultimate
 
 

Howdy westom,
That makes perfect sense. We agree about the proper solution for total surge protection. You keep me on my toes. Thanks for adding to the discussion.
glennc
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03 Aug 2010   #45
Mellon Head

Win 7 Pro x64/Win 10 Pro x64 dual boot
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by grimreaper View Post
With regards to your question, I cannot stress adding a surge protector to your UPS is wrong, and as a matter of fact in the manuals, this is mentioned also not to plug a surge protector to the UPS.
I can only tell you what I think, it's up to you now to make your own choice if you want to plug in a surge protector to your UPS.
Good luck my friend
Odd. My manual makes no mention of any issues plugging a surge protector into one of the UPS outlets, but it does definitely say that you shouldn't use one to feed the UPS. That is an absolute no-no, because the UPS loses its' response time in a brownout or fail condition, rendering the UPS moot.

I'm curious now. I'll have to do some research to make sure that I'm not giving bad advice here. So Glennc, for now, ignore my advice until I can verify this with my UPS manufacturer and another engineer.

Cheers.
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03 Aug 2010   #46
Mellon Head

Win 7 Pro x64/Win 10 Pro x64 dual boot
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by westom View Post
sygnus21 - that HowStuffWorks citation is chock full of obvious electrical lies. So many lies that long posts only discuss the lies on the first pages. HowStuffWorks is a first indication that one has near zero electrical knowledge. Needs to learn some first semester electrical concepts. Is easily deceived by hearsay. HowStuffWorks was one cited in a Wikipedia article on surge protection. Then was removed for being bogus. There is no polite way around a reality that obscene. One must have insufficient electrical knowledge to think that HowStuffWorks citation is honest.
Sorry, but I'm having a real hard time finding any "obvious electrical lies" in the links that sygnus21 posted, and I have sufficient electrical knowledge. The information he gave, and the comments in his post are spot on, and I would rep him if I could.

The HowStuffWorks article that was linked does a pretty good job of explaining how surge protection works in layman's terms. It is talking about the lower end of available surge protection, and I suspect the article is a couple of years old. Newer technology is available which is a little more efficient, and there are some companies making surge protectors with better specs, and at lower prices.

On the topic of learning "some first semester electrical concepts", you could use a little study yourself. Once again, armed with a boatload of misinformation, you are hijacking a thread and using your own personal bias to try to mislead the OP, and to try to discredit some sensible, credible advice given by others, and by your comments, insulting everyone by implying that they are stupid and lack knowledge.

Your facts and electrical knowledge are suspect sir, and anyone reading them should take them with a grain of salt, because you clearly do NOT have the knowledge on this issue that some of the rest of the posters in this thread do.

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03 Aug 2010   #47
sygnus21

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

I figured I'd let the posts speak for themselves


Peace
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03 Aug 2010   #48
Mellon Head

Win 7 Pro x64/Win 10 Pro x64 dual boot
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
I figured I'd let the posts speak for themselves


Peace
I got tired of his BS and reported him. Misleading people just isn't right.
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03 Aug 2010   #49
sygnus21

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

Sometime it's better to just let the record (posts) speak for themselves. Let's just move on.
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03 Aug 2010   #50
Mellon Head

Win 7 Pro x64/Win 10 Pro x64 dual boot
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
Sometime it's better to just let the record (posts) speak for themselves. Let's just move on.
Agreed. Enough from me on this one.

Onward...
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