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Windows 7: can't initialize to MBR!

24 Aug 2010   #31
Alsenor

 
 

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Now with each disk did you see all setup files copied over and then the automatic restart? Remember you left the optical set as the first in the boot order rather then calling up the boot device menu for a one time session while leaving the hard drive set as first and default.
Yes, I watched all the setup files being loaded. I don't know whether it is the automatic restart when it says "starting windows". I also don't know whether the boot order is actually changed, because I always have to "hit any key" to go to the CD first. Maybe that is what you mean by the one time session?
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If you system came with the 6gb of memory as listed in the specifications a bad dimm would be a cause for the blue screens during each attempt. The last thought would be removing all but one dimm for a last attempt as well as running memtest on each dimm by itself to be able to rule any bad ram out entirely.
I have added an extra dimm when I got the machine, for 8GB of RAM, but past mem tests have never shown a problem with them. I have not removed any when I ran the mem tests - is that really necessary?
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If you ran memtest as advised earlier in the thread but not long enough to repeat the series of stress you may not have run it long enough to reveal any faults. This would be one item to followup on just in case you need to replace one or two of them.
Maybe you are talking about a different type of mem test than what I did?
Mine was part of the HP proprietory support application health check that came installed on the PC.
Should I do it differently, and how?
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In the event the memory is found defect free your options for XP left would be the XP Mode run on the VM Lite Workstation or a custom install of XP on VHD running VIrtual Box and dedicating the new drive for storage and backup purposes.
But running it for storage and backup only would defeat the whole purpose of the new drive. I bought it specifically for running XP (have an old game I play with a club, which won't work on W7) This is our forum: The Battle Group
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It used to be the chipsets not allowing XP's installer to see sata drives where a fluppy had to have sata controller drivers that would be a stumbling block for the most part. Apparently something new is preventing a normal install if nothing else is found bad or not set correctly.
Could it be the chip sets here too?


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24 Aug 2010   #32
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

As for memtest that's a free Linux memory tester now seen as an option in the 7 startup options! It's easy to start up there or download a live cd image. But it sounds like you have that ruled out as far as defects while the overall hardware configuration could be another possible block for XP.

The XP Mode wouldn't do for running old games while many old pc games are fairing quite well on the 64bit 7 here! Have you tried installing it on 7 using the compatibility mode? Are you running the 32bit or 64bit 7 there?

Surprisingly one older XP game that would not go on Vista under any circumstance was suddenly found to install on the 32bit 7 RC last year without issue while looking over what would go on 7. Unfortunately I still have to find the sleeve with the game's product key to try it out again on the 64bit retail.
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24 Aug 2010   #33
Alsenor

 
 

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As for memtest that's a free Linux memory tester now seen as an option in the 7 startup options! It's easy to start up there or download a live cd image. But it sounds like you have that ruled out as far as defects while the overall hardware configuration could be another possible block for XP.

The XP Mode wouldn't do for running old games while many old pc games are fairing quite well on the 64bit 7 here! Have you tried installing it on 7 using the compatibility mode? Are you running the 32bit or 64bit 7 there?
I am running 64bit W7. How do you use compatibility mode?
However, that still leaves the mystery unsolved of having a new WD 500GB SATA drive installed properly, and not accepting an OS!
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24 Aug 2010   #34
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

I readily agree on the "Unsolved Mystery" part having WD 500gb models on the last build and multi as well as dual booted XP along with Vista and the 7 betas and RCs!

This one is a kind of stumper since the only last item in the chain would be a flaky optical drive that works part of the time while booted in Windows but fails to copy fully the setup files or even boot live from disk.

On the last build here one drive was replaced when suddenly hearing grinding sounds. You would have to shutdown completely and power up again in order to boot from any disk with the old drive there.

The new HD on the other hand seems to be ok without any bad sectors found as far as you know. Files copied and pasted manually went right on for you ruling that out.

As for the 64bit 7 and seeing an immediate compatibility issue the only that may work would be to right click on the setup or installer.exe file when browsing to the game's disk in an explorer. On the properties screen you will find the compatibility tab there and set it to XP with SP2 as well as check off the run as admin box. If the game installs but won't run you then go into the main folder and do the same for the game's main executable there too.

In some cases simply choosing the "troubleshoot compatibility" item in the right click menu will troubleshoot installation problems while others require the 32bit not 64bit 7 where you would be stuck. The Metal of Honor: Allied Assault title was one found to go on the 32bit 7 but not on Vista with any option. That was one written for XP only not older versions like 98 or 2000.

For games 9x-XP compatible on the other hand they go right onto the 64bit 7 with ease and seem to run just as they did on the previous versions being more let's say "cross version compatible" and see excellent 32bit emulation. Funny how all that goes!

As for the optical drive trying a different data cable or even swapping that out for another would see if XP suddenly went on without any fuss. Even brand new drives can be a problem at times where that appears to be the last link in the chain as to why XP is not seeing a full working install.

If you had a different version you could test the drive itself keeping the 7 drive out of the loop by trying a temp install of Vista or 7 if you had another OS disk available for a fast look. If that also saw problems then you would know it wasn't limited to XP alone.

That would be another "food for thought" idea to run past you. With 3 separate XP disks however I would still tend to lean at the optical drive as far as a possible hardware concern however.
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24 Aug 2010   #35
Alsenor

 
 

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If you had a different version you could test the drive itself keeping the 7 drive out of the loop by trying a temp install of Vista or 7 if you had another OS disk available for a fast look. If that also saw problems then you would know it wasn't limited to XP alone.

That would be another "food for thought" idea to run past you. With 3 separate XP disks however I would still tend to lean at the optical drive as far as a possible hardware concern however.
I have been thinking about that too. Will try to install one of the old Vista or W7 CDs.
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25 Aug 2010   #36
Alsenor

 
 

Can you believe:
I am working in W7 Ultimate on my new second drive. I had an old CD and it installed fine. Not at first, but after I figured out to hit F10 and get into the BIOS, where I changed the boot priority to the HD group. Then it installed without a hitch. All I need to know now is how to get it to work in XP mode!
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25 Aug 2010   #37
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

As far as BattleGroup you likely won't get anywhere trying to install the game on the XP Mode since that is limited to a form of virtual video memory without direct access to the video card itself as well as not seeing any Direct X or OpenGL support. The XP Mode was developed mainly for businesses to be able to upgrade to 7 from XP but still run many of their present desktop softwares.

The one item I didn't get to on the last post would seem to suggest the need for a sata controller driver disk in order to get XP to install instead. The install success seeing 7 go on the new drive now shows how Vista and 7 have generic controller drivers to work with while the older version sadly lacked those considering when XP was first seen.

This also rules out the optical drive however since 7 went right on. That brings us to the end of the chain now that the last link is found good. The old version simply needs some help being installed!

You may have to contact the HP support to ask why XP won't install on that particular model as a second OS when you have a second drive added in for just that since everything else has been ruled out so far.
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25 Aug 2010   #38
Alsenor

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
As far as BattleGroup you likely won't get anywhere trying to install the game on the XP Mode since that is limited to a form of virtual video memory without direct access to the video card itself as well as not seeing any Direct X or OpenGL support. The XP Mode was developed mainly for businesses to be able to upgrade to 7 from XP but still run many of their present desktop softwares.

The one item I didn't get to on the last post would seem to suggest the need for a sata controller driver disk in order to get XP to install instead. The install success seeing 7 go on the new drive now shows how Vista and 7 have generic controller drivers to work with while the older version sadly lacked those considering when XP was first seen.
That is a suspicion I had, because on bootup there is always a text asking whether I want to install some driver.
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This also rules out the optical drive however since 7 went right on. That brings us to the end of the chain now that the last link is found good. The old version simply needs some help being installed!.
How can we give it that help?.
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You may have to contact the HP support to ask why XP won't install on that particular model as a second OS when you have a second drive added in for just that since everything else has been ruled out so far.
Trouble is that HP support won't help with anything but the original configuration the machine came with.
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25 Aug 2010   #39
Alsenor

 
 

I just ran a quick install attempt to see that text when I load the old XP CD. It says "press F6 if you need to install a third party RAID or SCSI driver". That is probably what is missing? Where do we get that from?
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25 Aug 2010   #40
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

Something maybe as simple as the need for sata drivers is preventling XP but not 7 from going on. I know the 64bit Vista was the one that saw problems originally when having more then 2-3gb of memory installed where you would simply install only 2gb until the previous version was running.

The XP installer may be where the problem is actually stemming from however. Besides the HP support site lacking anything in their FAQs section as usual about custom install of any OS, HP Pavilion p6300 Desktop PC series*-* Windows XP - HP Business Support Center

we back track in one search when looking up this particular model series to discover something found about another which could be the source of the problem. How-to Install Windows Xp on HP Pavilion dv6236EA

According to that disabling the Native ide mode for sata drives allowed XP to install while previous attempts failed while the mode was enabled. I know Gigabyte boards see this setting in the bios while Asus boards don't. The Foxconn board in yours however may also see this option usually in the "Integrated Peripherals"or "Onboard" sections depending on the bios used.

Again we just missed each other! For all drver updates including a set for creating a driver disk of some type(floppy, cd) you need to go to the HP support site itself. Unfortunately you may still need to contact HP to see if they have XP drivers for that model to start with since the search comes up with Vista and 7 only at present!

You can see that bad news for the too new of model as I suspected by clicking on the "Software & Driver Downloads" link on the page for this model. http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/p...&cc=us&lang=en

Apparently your only place now for XP support if found would be at Foxconn and to find out if they list that particular model board or use the System Info for Windows tool, http://www.gtopala.com/ to see just model board that is.
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