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Windows 7: can't initialize to MBR!

26 Aug 2010   #51
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

That would be one way to find out for sure! Hopefully 7 will still run normally. But this is the one thing about premade OEM systems where they configure everything by their methods where their techs already know just where to look when problems come up.

That won't make life any easier for you however! This is why you may have to consider the 32bit 7 as the second OS if you find the game will go on and run. I found that here when some refused to install or run on the 32bit Vista but went right on the 32bit 7! That has a great deal of backward compatibility with XP written type games and apps it seems.


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27 Aug 2010   #52
Alsenor

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
That would be one way to find out for sure! Hopefully 7 will still run normally. But this is the one thing about premade OEM systems where they configure everything by their methods where their techs already know just where to look when problems come up.
Yes, that's why I am unwilling to give it up. SInce I was able to restore the BIOS before to work with W7 again, it should be possible again now, wouldn't you think?
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That won't make life any easier for you however! This is why you may have to consider the 32bit 7 as the second OS if you find the game will go on and run. I found that here when some refused to install or run on the 32bit Vista but went right on the 32bit 7! That has a great deal of backward compatibility with XP written type games and apps it seems.
I don't think it would run on 32bit either, nor on Vista. XP was the last OS it worked on.
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27 Aug 2010   #53
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

If you find it set at AHCI and switch to ide and it fails you simply re-enter the bios to change it back. A quck return trip there would be all you needed.

As for the game itself what "failed to install or run" on the 32bit Vista doesn't mean it won't go the 32bit 7! What I am pointing out is that 7 is now seeing an improved backward compatibility to XP softwares over what had been seen with Vista.

All you can do however is see if someone you know running the 32bit 7 can try out it out on their machine to see if the installation works unless you have a cd key requirement for that or a log into an online account situation like many games see. You simply want to find out if it will.

Recently I tossed a temp install of the 32bit 7 on a real old case and saw XP device drivers work like they had been written for 7 specifically! Never rule anything out completely with 7! until tested that is.
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27 Aug 2010   #54
Alsenor

 
 

I connected the XP drive as well this morning, without changing the default BIOS, and W7 can see it. That means I could use it for storage, but so far not for booting into it. Maybe if I slip stream SP3 into the OS it will be possible?
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27 Aug 2010   #55
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

You would need to slipstream SP3 into the XP install disk to add the service pack into the installation process.

With 7 up and running again it comes as no surprize it immediately saw the new drive once plugged back in. You can also try getting the new entry for XP as if XP was running to take care of that part.

The boot files copied over as well as the boot entry can always be removed easily later if XP doesn't run or succeed the next time around. But if XP loads right away you would have the entry part for the dual boot already taken care of. Once booted in XP you would then simply go for the SP3 install.
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28 Aug 2010   #56
Alsenor

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
You would need to slipstream SP3 into the XP install disk to add the service pack into the installation process.
I can't add it to the install disk, being read only. Can't I add it to the Xp files on the HD?
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With 7 up and running again it comes as no surprize it immediately saw the new drive once plugged back in. You can also try getting the new entry for XP as if XP was running to take care of that part. The boot files copied over as well as the boot entry can always be removed easily later if XP doesn't run or succeed the next time around. But if XP loads right away you would have the entry part for the dual boot already taken care of. Once booted in XP you would then simply go for the SP3 install.
Can't I add the SP3 file to the XP files while being in W7?
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28 Aug 2010   #57
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

That's what slipstreaming refers to. Not the otiginal but adding drivers or an SP into a backup copy or ISO image in order to have everything install at the same time. You are still using the same product key on the same machine.

For your situation however first you have an XP install present and if able to boot into it can simply download and install the redistributed SP3 to a temp folder if not through the MS update site. The full package however can be saved to disk if any reinstall is needed later rather then repeat downloads or visits to the update site in order to save time. You've spent quite a bit already so far!

The full 316mb for SP3 is ready for download at Download Windows XP Service Pack 3 Build 5512 FINAL Free Trial - Microsoft periodically combines updates, fixes, and other improvements into a single package - Service Pack - Softpedia That has it's own installer to start up while booted in XP.

First you want to see if XP will load once the entry is added in or simply using the boot device menu option to boot from that drive while you have it set to the ide mode. If XP loads right up the SP3 can simply go on once downloaded. That will take about 20minutes requiring a couple of full restarts to finish. Then you simply follow the guide on seeing the new entry for XP added into the 7 boot loader.

Once you have the new entry in for XP in the 7 BCD store and have SP3 on you should be all set to simply install the game you want once all the other updates available for things like adobe reader and a few other items are set. If the game lacks the DX 9c installer you will want to download that for XP however. Download details: DirectX End-User Runtime
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28 Aug 2010   #58
Alsenor

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
For your situation however first you have an XP install present and if able to boot into it can simply download and install the redistributed SP3 to a temp folder if not through the MS update site.
But - remember, I can't boot into XP, even when I change the BIOS to IDE, because "NTLDR is missing"!
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28 Aug 2010   #59
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

Have you tried copying the boot files over to the 7 drive, editing the boot.ini file to point at the second drive where XP is located, and added a new entry for XP in the 7 boot loader with EasyBCD?

This is what you wanted to set up a dual boot with 7. The guide posted earlier will take you through each step there in Method Two for installing XP after 7. Once the new entry is added in the boot options menu you can boot into XP when the system starts rather then the default 7 install.

The error is seen when going to boot from the second drive when changing the boot order or simply selecting the second drive from the boot device menu(one of the F keys assigned like F4, F11, F12) which still seems a bit odd unless something pooched the XP boot sector when swapping modes?

For now however getting the new entry in and then selecting XP at startup will reveal if all is still well with the XP install you got on. You still have to have 7 running however in order to see a working dual boot with half the problem solved already. Once the new entry is in we can work out the error if that is still seen after.
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28 Aug 2010   #60
Alsenor

 
 

My BIOS is set to RAID, so I suppose this applies to me:
If you have a RAID setup, you will need to have the XP RAID drivers on a Floppy disc available to select and load at the F6 prompt while installing XP.
But I already installed XP!
Do I have to worry about that now?
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