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Windows 7: Finally deciding to get a SSD hard drive

13 Dec 2010   #11
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

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The OCZ Vertex 2 50GB costs almost double the price of a Kingston SSDNow V100 64GB here in Canada: $100 vs $170
I did not want to misguide you. But I am obviously not aware of the Canadien prices. I only know the US and the German prices - the German prices being outrageously high too.

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When i get home, i'll be setting up 2 x OCZ vertex in raid 0
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This will give you nice numbers from the measurement tools. But for real life it will make little difference as compared to a single SSD because the access time does not change - Raid or no Raid.


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13 Dec 2010   #12
Beginning

Windows 7 Professional 64bit
 
 

@ Nemix77 " ...cause I tend to work between two hard drives... " Dadgumit! I hope that won't come back and bite me in the end. I too work usually between more then one drive.............
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13 Dec 2010   #13
Nemix

Windows 7 Professional
 
 

It's final, I've decided on getting a Kingston SSDNow V100 64GB and a 1TB Seagate Barracuda 7200.12. I'm going to give away one of my 500GB 7200.12 to little my brother cause he only has 320GB right now. I can only fit 2 x 3.5" + 1 x 2.5" in my case drive bays with a 80mm fan blowing direct through the hard drive (InWin Dragon Slayer) and one more 2.5" or 3.5" in the floppy bay but that's directly under a vibrating and warm running DVD burner with no direct fan blowing through so that's not an option for me.

My final setup:

64GB SSDNow - Main OS + Temporary Workspace
500GB 7200.12 - Pagefile + Games + Workspace
1TB 7200.12 - Storage + Media Files + Backups (I would go 2TB but I like having less platters)

*Canceled the external option. Only needed it cause of my drive bay problem anyway.*

Thanks, for all the input guys.

I'll make an updated thread and post my results for the Kingston SSDNow V100 64GB when it arrives and I get Windows 7 reinstalled, may take longer than planned.

@ whs

I'd still like to see your results of 2 x OCZ Vertex 2's in RAID 0, do post your results in HDTune if possible.


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13 Dec 2010   #14
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

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@ whs

I'd still like to see your results of 2 x OCZ Vertex 2's in RAID 0, do post your results in HDTune if possible.


It is Spinifex who sets up the Raid0 - not me. I only commented on it. But you can find a lot of that data here: Show us your SSD performance
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13 Dec 2010   #15
Lebon14

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Nemix77 View Post
My final setup:

64GB SSDNow - Main OS + Temporary Workspace
500GB 7200.12 - Pagefile + Games + Workspace
1TB 7200.12 - Storage + Media Files + Backups (I would go 2TB but I like having less platters)
I would still put the page file on the SSD. I have 6GB of RAM and I did put it on the SSD. I have a OCZ Vertex 2 90GB. At least you are going to put a lot of heavy software (needs lot of space), I wouldn't change its location.
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13 Dec 2010   #16
Nemix

Windows 7 Professional
 
 

@ Lebon14

From what I've read putting the pagefile on different physical disk minimizes read/writes on the main drive. For SSD's that really a good thing since more reads and writes decreases the life span of an SSD hard drive. I don't think putting the pagefile to a slower physcial disk in my case would help with performance but it's would not decrease performance either and could possibly increase life on the SSD and provide more free space (pagefile = 1.5x ram = 6GB in my case). Besides the pagefile is hardly used on system with 4GB of ram or more anyways, you may want to re-consider moving your pagefile to a different physical disk (6GB = Call of Duty: Black Ops and less hard drive thrashing).


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13 Dec 2010   #17
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

With e.g. 6GBs of RAM it is neither here nor there. There will be hardly any pagefaults anyhow and the speed of the paging device will have a minimal impact on overall performance.

I keep mine on the SSD because I have plenty of space and I am too lazy to move it. With 6GBs (I have 3 and 4GB) I would probably reduce it to half. And deleting the hiberfile will also gain you a chunk.
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13 Dec 2010   #18
linnemeyerhere

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Ultimate 64
 
 

Beginning,
Don't worry my friend your are going to absolutely love the Crucial SSD. It scores 7.7 WEI in my system and I can't think of any component that has been so transformational to my computing enjoyment than this SSD. Yes I can't wait for larger less expensive Sata III SSD's coming down the pike. But for the moment and for my OS and Apps. this 64 gb drive has rocked my world as I'm sure it will your's.
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13 Dec 2010   #19
Beginning

Windows 7 Professional 64bit
 
 

Thanks linnemeyerhere, for the peptalk. I'm sure I'll be impressed with the drive.. We all tend to get all up in the air about things we don't really understand. :P

Cheers!!

Now I'll go back to waiting, waiting, waiting, ..................... Sigh!
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14 Dec 2010   #20
Dave76

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Ult x64 - SP1/ Windows 8 Pro x64
 
 

The highly advertised sequential read/write speeds have little impact on actual day to day useage.

Much more important is the access time and the random read/writes. The access time is what makes it so fast, random reads/writes is what the OS does the large percentage of the time.

Going from .3ms to less than .1ms is actually a big difference, it is noticeable.

You can check side by side benchmarks for two SSDs on the AnandTech SSD Bench site.

I hope you're getting the Kingston V+ series, the Kingston V series doesn't have very good reviews/benchmarks.

Whatever SSDyou get I'm sure you will be happy with the performance improvement.

Just remember a lot of recommended tweaks that you will come across are for Gen1 SSDs, Gen2 SSDs don't need very many. Win7 will do most of them if you install it to a bare, unformatted SSD.

You can check on the many SSD sites, for Gen2 SSDs they recommend leaving the page file on the SSD.
MS also recommends this:

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Should the pagefile be placed on SSDs?

Yes. Most pagefile operations are small random reads or larger sequential writes, both of which are types of operations that SSDs handle well.
In looking at telemetry data from thousands of traces and focusing on pagefile reads and writes, we find that
  • Pagefile.sys reads outnumber pagefile.sys writes by about 40 to 1,
  • Pagefile.sys read sizes are typically quite small, with 67% less than or equal to 4 KB, and 88% less than 16 KB.
  • Pagefile.sys writes are relatively large, with 62% greater than or equal to 128 KB and 45% being exactly 1 MB in size.
In fact, given typical pagefile reference patterns and the favorable performance characteristics SSDs have on those patterns, there are few files better than the pagefile to place on an SSD.
Let us know how everything goes when you get it.
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