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Windows 7: How do you confirm USB3 is operational

30 Dec 2010   #11
essenbe

Windows 10 Pro/ Windows 10 Pro Insider
 
 

If you connect it to a usb 2.0 port, you should get a pop up on your desktop saying 'this device can perform faster'. You can also transfer the same file from your friends computer to your external and see how long it takes.


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30 Dec 2010   #12
whs
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Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

I think there is a lot of hype regarding USB3 for spinning disks. Lets look at the facts:

-- USB2 has a maximum transfer rate of 480 Mbps
-- USB3 has a theoritical transfer rate of up to 6 Gbps

However, let's look at the disks

-- Spinning disks (5.400 and 7.200 Rpm) have a transfer rate of 500 to 800 Mbps ( some Raptors may be faster)

So for those disks you will see at best a 60% performance improvement. In fact I made a 22GB image to a USB2 external in 12 minutes and to a USB3 external in 9 minutes. So it was relatively unexciting.

But once we get large SSDs that are affordable for storage, that will be another story.
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31 Dec 2010   #13
Phone Man

Windows 8.1 Pro w/Media Center 64bit, Windows 7 HP 64bit
 
 

If they had designed USB 3.0 to be only twice as fast as USB 2.0 it would get maxed out before it got going. With a 6Gbps speed it has lots of room for future growth.

Jim
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31 Dec 2010   #14
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

The easiest way to test it to simply time the transfer of a large file. Get yourself an ISO file or something else which is 1GB or 2GB in size. Copying those files via USB 2.0 would results in about 25 MB/sec. So, a 1GB file would take about 40 seconds to transfer over USB2. A 2GB file would take about 80 seconds to transfer.

If you are using a USB3 device, I would expect that you would get at least 50MB/sec...so a 1GB file would be done in about 20 seconds and a 2GB file would be done in about 40 seconds. If you are going this fast, or faster...it's certainly working.

Most USB 3 devices are limited by the speeds of the hard drive itself...not the bus speeds.
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31 Dec 2010   #15
Cr00zng

Windows 7 64-bit, Windows 8.1 64-bit, OSX El Capitan, Windows 10 (VMware)
 
 

The maximum throughput rate for USB 2.0 is 480Mb/s, or 60MB/s; the maximum throughput rate for the USB 3.0 4.8Gb/s, or 600MB/s.

There's no USB 2.0 device that can achive maximum transfer rate, even the best of them max out at around 320Mb/s, or 40MB/s. That's 2/3 of the maximum transfer rate; the chances are that the USB 3.0 devices will not reach the maximum transfer rate either. They probably will top out at 3.2Gb/s, or 400MB/s. Still an awesome speed and would be faster than the best SATA 3.0, or 6G, SSD drives.

The maximum transfer rate for the SATA 3.0 is 6Gb/s, or 750MB/s. Similarly to the USB devices, the current SSD devices don't even come close to the maximum transfer rate. For example the Crucial C300 series SSD (256GB) has a maximum read speed of 355MB/s and write speed of 215MB/s; not even close to 50% of the SATA 3.0 specification. Don't take me wrong, the SSD devices are a lot faster than any single mechanical drive can ever be, that's not the point.

The point is that neither the USB, nor the SATA devices live up to the specification defined speed. The actual transfer rate is anywhere from less than 50 to about 70 percentile of the specification defined speed. It sort of reminds me of buying 2x4 in the US, that has an actual size of 1.5x3.5...
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02 Jan 2011   #16
whs
Microsoft MVP

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Cr00zng View Post
The maximum throughput rate for USB 2.0 is 480Mb/s, or 60MB/s; the maximum throughput rate for the USB 3.0 4.8Gb/s, or 600MB/s.

There's no USB 2.0 device that can achive maximum transfer rate, even the best of them max out at around 320Mb/s, or 40MB/s. That's 2/3 of the maximum transfer rate; the chances are that the USB 3.0 devices will not reach the maximum transfer rate either. They probably will top out at 3.2Gb/s, or 400MB/s. Still an awesome speed and would be faster than the best SATA 3.0, or 6G, SSD drives.

The maximum transfer rate for the SATA 3.0 is 6Gb/s, or 750MB/s. Similarly to the USB devices, the current SSD devices don't even come close to the maximum transfer rate. For example the Crucial C300 series SSD (256GB) has a maximum read speed of 355MB/s and write speed of 215MB/s; not even close to 50% of the SATA 3.0 specification. Don't take me wrong, the SSD devices are a lot faster than any single mechanical drive can ever be, that's not the point.

The point is that neither the USB, nor the SATA devices live up to the specification defined speed. The actual transfer rate is anywhere from less than 50 to about 70 percentile of the specification defined speed. It sort of reminds me of buying 2x4 in the US, that has an actual size of 1.5x3.5...
Your point is well taken. The reason why the max. can normally not be achieved is because the max. refers to the optimal blocksize that is being transferred. But normally the operations do not use these blocksizes.

The best example is the system itself which use a 4k blocksize in many cases. And that is usually far from being optimal - even for a SSD. If you look at the Atto Benchmarks in this thread, you can clearly see that.
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02 Jan 2011   #17
Reggie49

Win7 64 bit Home Premium
 
 
Thanks

From this information, it seems that my USB 3 port is working as after doing some more tests on the HDD with HD Tune. I'm realising 24Mb/Sec at USB 2 and 50Mb/sec through the USB 3.

I've now got another issue, (for those who might be able to help there please see: "Can't update to latest USB 3 Driver") I downloaded and tried to update the USB 3 driver and now have other issues.

Thanks to all who have given me the benefit of their wisdom, most appreciated.
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02 Jan 2011   #18
Phone Man

Windows 8.1 Pro w/Media Center 64bit, Windows 7 HP 64bit
 
 

If we compare MAX design speed, all the devices fall short. However when you compare operation speeds between USB 2.0 and 3.0, the 3.0 does perform better. I believe the protocol of 3.0 was tweaked to handle the overhead better and this is where the difference shows up. Here is a link to my post from last year. Same external drives tested on 2.0 and 3.0 so the only difference was the interface.

USB 3.0 vs 2.0

If your auto has a max speed of 50mph and mine is 70mph it does not matter if they raise the speed limit from 75mph to 100mph since neither one of us can reach either limit, but my auto still goes faster.

Jim
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02 Jan 2011   #19
Reggie49

Win7 64 bit Home Premium
 
 

G'Day Jim,
Thanks for your analogy, puts things into perspective.

My problem is, I think I bought a Ferrari, it's running a bit better than a Model T, and I'm wondering if the new USB 3 drivers can ever be installed, (Getting error 1605), if the performance will get me to at least a Shelby Mustang!

Cheers Ron
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03 Jan 2011   #20
Ponmayilal

Windows 7 Ultimate 32bit
 
 

Talking of USB3, I have plugged in a SYBA USB 3.0 two-port PCIe card into the only slot in my GigaByte motherboard. (didn't want to spend on a new motherboard with USB3 )

These PCIe cards and as I believe most other motherboards, use the NEC/Renesas USB 3.0 Host Controller chip UPD 720200/720200A.

Though I have a Seagate GoFlex 500GB portable External drive, I haven't yet purchased the the USB3 cable/adapter for it.

The following info may be pertinent here.

Device Manager - View devices by type

How do you confirm USB3 is operational-1renesas-usb3-hc.jpg

Device Manager - view devices by connection (showing a pendrive plugged into the USB3 port of the card )

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Benchmarking the USB 3.0 performance of the Seagate GoFlex

Source:Seagate FreeAgent GoFlex 500Gb Ultra-portable Drive Review

How do you confirm USB3 is operational-3usb3-bmark.jpg


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