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Windows 7: Show us your SSD performance

12 Feb 2010   #151
mpcrsc562

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

thanks. i'll get lookin

you know, ususally i'm not so johnny-come-lately when it come to keeping up with anything relating to pc's. however, i didn't think that i'd be in a position so soon to get an ssd--even a "poor man's" ssd. i haven't read thru every single post within this thread (so forgive me if i'm bringing up something already covered), but it seems, in my opinion, that the manufacturers haven't been up to snuff with support. from the links you provided and others that i've found, it seems that with the exception of a firmware update, all info concerning ssd and their setting up is from end users. it would seem to me that manufacturer A would have in plain english, something to the effect: "This is our product. We have extensively tested it with various Windows environments. Although every system configuration is different, we are certain that you will have the best performance if your system is configured as such: ....."
every tweak i've found has been of an end user, not the manufacturer. that's not standing behind the product, in my opinion.
my two cents


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13 Feb 2010   #152
kensiko

Win7 64 bits FR
 
 

OCZ Solid 2 30GB, 70 CAD$.



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13 Feb 2010   #153
nate42nd

Windows 7 Professional x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mpcrsc562 View Post
thanks. i'll get lookin

you know, ususally i'm not so johnny-come-lately when it come to keeping up with anything relating to pc's. however, i didn't think that i'd be in a position so soon to get an ssd--even a "poor man's" ssd. i haven't read thru every single post within this thread (so forgive me if i'm bringing up something already covered), but it seems, in my opinion, that the manufacturers haven't been up to snuff with support. from the links you provided and others that i've found, it seems that with the exception of a firmware update, all info concerning ssd and their setting up is from end users. it would seem to me that manufacturer A would have in plain english, something to the effect: "This is our product. We have extensively tested it with various Windows environments. Although every system configuration is different, we are certain that you will have the best performance if your system is configured as such: ....."
every tweak i've found has been of an end user, not the manufacturer. that's not standing behind the product, in my opinion.
my two cents
I have been saying this for a long time. You have to do a lot of research on SSDs and how they interact with a normal desktop environment.....or you can just buy one and install it and hope for the best. I think there should be "manuals" to tell you what tweaks you can make in a Windows environment and something about TRIM and firmware when you buy an SSD, but I understand the manufacturer's reluctance to do this.

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OCZ Solid 2 30GB, 70 CAD$.



Thanks for the data kensiko, these are respectable numbers. From what I've read...the Solid 2 has an Indilinx controller but only seems to use part of the channels or something. Have you had much problem with it? Has it performed pretty well?
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13 Feb 2010   #154
Gildor

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by nate42nd View Post
I have been saying this for a long time. You have to do a lot of research on SSDs and how they interact with a normal desktop environment.....or you can just buy one and install it and hope for the best. I think there should be "manuals" to tell you what tweaks you can make in a Windows environment and something about TRIM and firmware when you buy an SSD, but I understand the manufacturer's reluctance to do this.
Not to be argumentative, but that view of tweaking SSD's is not universally held across the SSD user community.

First off, I am assuming the more recent generation of SSD's. It may apply to the older, first generation models, it may not. I am not even going to worry about JMicron or Samsung controller based models.

Basically, the opposing view is that if you have a latest generation Intel or Indilink controller based SSD, and you install it in Win 7, you are done. No further "tweaks" needed. The tweaks will not get you any significant performance gains and they are not necessary to keep the drive from "wearing out" any faster.

That's the approach I am taking with my Gen2 Intel. The only tweaking I have done is to move some system files and some application data files off the C drive onto a spindle based drive. This was done for space saving reasons however, not performance reasons. We'll see what happens as the months go by.

I agree that manufacturers should be more forthcoming about under what configurations to install the SSD. I also think, with this latest generation, that SSD's have passed that threshold from a hobbyists toy that needs lots of attention to a consumer level computer part that you can pretty much install and forget.
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13 Feb 2010   #155
bbinnard

Win7-64
 
 
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14 Feb 2010   #156
b00bie

Windows7 Home Premium X64
 
 

Hi

Question for you guru's here. When I built my new machine last year I toyed with the idea of an SSD but went with the 150GB Velociraptor instead. Now with the new G2 160GB drive available from Intel that supports TRIM I am beginning to get the upgrade bug. The only issue I have at this point is that I do NOT want to have to reinstall Windows and start all over again. Is there any way to "clone" the raptor onto the Intel and just swap them out or will Windows have a meltdown. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Tom

Would this do what I need?
EASEUS Partition Master Professional Edition: Magic Partition Manager for Windows 2000/XP/Vista/Windows 7 (32bit and 64bit).

Thanks again.
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14 Feb 2010   #157
kensiko

Win7 64 bits FR
 
 

[QUOTE=nate42nd;566602]
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mpcrsc562 View Post
Thanks for the data kensiko, these are respectable numbers. From what I've read...the Solid 2 has an Indilinx controller but only seems to use part of the channels or something. Have you had much problem with it? Has it performed pretty well?
Yes, it's Indilinx. It uses cheaper flash chips, some say it is the same as in Intel X25-V, but I'm not sure. I won't open it to verify

No problem. Just putted it in my laptop, pressed power ON and installed Win7 in 10 minutes with an SD card. I can't feel the difference with my Vertex on my desktop. It's simply fast.

For the US, the deal is still good: NCIXUS.com - Buy OCZ Solid 2 Series Indilinx 30GB 2.5IN SATA2 Solid State Disk Flash Drive SSD - OCZSSD2-2SLD30G.
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14 Feb 2010   #158
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

At NewEgg, they sometims offer the 30GB Vertex for $99. That makes for a good OS disk too. My Win7 hovers around 15GBs since months, but my data files are in another partition.
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14 Feb 2010   #159
nate42nd

Windows 7 Professional x64
 
 
8 month test Patriot Torqx

Here is an HDTune test on an 8 month old Patriot Torqx. I have treated it good, but it's been on constantly for 8 months and I have used it at least 4 hours per day for 8 months. It has had Windows 7 RC, RTM, and now Pro 64bit, so it has had an OS on it since the day I got it. I have done several image restores to update firmware too. (I think 3-4 times) I am posting this for me as much as you. I want to be able to look back and see these numbers.

Patriot Torqx 128GB SSD Review

bit-tech.net | Review - Patriot Torqx 128GB SSD Review

1881 firmware today (2/14/10)
Show us your SSD performance-1881_021410.png

1571 firmware about 6 months ago
Show us your SSD performance-pat1571.png

Also, anyone with a Patriot PS-100....go to the Patriot forums, they are asking for beta F/W testers if you're interested.

Patriot PS-100 Solid State Drive - Page 11 - Patriot Memory Support Forums


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14 Feb 2010   #160
b00bie

Windows7 Home Premium X64
 
 

Well I haven't even given you guys enough time to answer my first question and I'm already back with more. After reading through this thread I decided to do a little more investigating about SSD's and drivers and TRIM but the more I read the more confusing it became, I can't imagine how you are able to really understand all of this stuff, I mean after all I just want to replace a hard drive in my system, surely it can't be that difficult, can it? I read many conflicting things first there is AHCI, the major opinion seems to be that AHCI needs to be active in order for TRIM to function properly. I tried to turn it on in the bios but the PC would not boot. I discovered a post in this thread that has a registry hack that will allow you to do this but I have not tried that yet. Next onto the driver, when I first built the system I installed the Intel driver (not the RAID driver that gets installed from the floppy when you first install Windows) so I currently have version 9.1.1.1013 on my controller, I see in another thread that there is a version 1025 available but according to posts in that thread this is really not a driver update only some INF files, but again it seems that that is really not the best thing to have done, apparently I would have been better off with the Windows driver which supports TRIM. Reading Intel's website it appear that they will be bringing out a driver that supports TRIM "any day now". But they also talk about the new RST drivers instead of the current MST drivers but neither of them are actually released yet. So with that said here are my questions.


1. Should I try to go back to the Windows 7 driver or should I stick with the Intel driver (and is it worth it to install the 1025 update) and use the toolkit to clean up the drive manually until a new TRIM supporting driver is released.


2. Should I hack the registry to get AHCI turned on, or don't I really need that?


3. Should I face the fact that I am too @^%#*^$ stupid to do a drive replacement and be happy with my Raptor.

Thanks for taking the time to read this rant and any help will be greatly appreciated

Tom
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