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Windows 7: Building your own computer

21 May 2012   #71
writhziden

Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit
 
 

May I suggest we all (including myself) stop with the bantering and the derailing of this thread. I imagine the ESD arguments have not been helping Chips too much with the original intent of this thread. Agree to disagree?


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21 May 2012   #72
James7679

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

<3 writh. I agree. Sorry Chips.
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21 May 2012   #73
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Totally agree to disagree. I'm not personally upset or bothered by any comments. Everybody has lots of different experiences. I am just sharing mine. I don't believe my actions have caused any undo hardships as I have worked with desktops and servers in office buildings as well as data centers alike for the past 15 years and all has been well. That's all. If you want to use a wrist strap because it gives you extra assurances, by all means go for it. If you are in a bind and wondering if it's a recipe for disaster to not use one, just know that there are many who don't use on, never have, and aren't considering doing so going forward. The choice is your own to make.

I don't think i am smarter than anybody else and I'm not an electrical engineer. But I do find it assuring that in my years of dealing with Novell admins, Windows Admins, Linux Admins, VMware Admins, HP server techs, Dell technicians, EMC engineers, Liebert installers, APC resellers, NetApp engineers, and every techie friend I have...that we have all confidently worked on many pieces of equipment without using a wrist strap.

With respect to derailing the conversation, I commented because of questions Chips asked in post #61. It was related to the use of electrostatic devices.
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22 May 2012   #74
DeaconFrost

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

I'll agree to disagree as well. Sometimes, though, people put too much emphasis on "what they've heard" rather than "how it really is" for things like this. The fact of the matter is, ESD is not quite the hazard it once was. Sure, if you try to kill a part by wearing feetie pajamas while rubbing your feet across the floor, you could potentially do some damage. In reality, there's little to worry about.

Chips, the bigger issue is to make sure you find a good, stable workspace with plenty of room to spread out. Make sure your lighting is good, and take your time putting the system together properly. Run your cables in ways that you can "hide" them, so the air will flow through your case. Since you said you bought a HAF912, let me know if you have any questions. I hide much of the excess cabling behind the motherboard tray and use zip ties to secure it in place back there.

That should occupy all of your concern, not ESD damage.
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22 May 2012   #75
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost View Post
I'll agree to disagree as well. Sometimes, though, people put too much emphasis on "what they've heard" rather than "how it really is" for things like this.
Very well said. I completely agree.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost View Post
Chips, the bigger issue is to make sure you find a good, stable workspace with plenty of room to spread out. Make sure your lighting is good, and take your time putting the system together properly. Run your cables in ways that you can "hide" them, so the air will flow through your case. Since you said you bought a HAF912, let me know if you have any questions. I hide much of the excess cabling behind the motherboard tray and use zip ties to secure it in place back there.
During my builds, I think I spend the most time just figuring out how to get the cables from point A to point B and keep them tidy and hidden as best as possible. I just sit and look at it, and try different combinations, etc. Being able to hide all of this wiring behind the mobo is great...I always look for cases now that have room behind the mobo tray.

While zip ties work good, I actually prefer to use the 2 sided velcro instead as you can easily remove it whenever you need to add a cable or make a change. You buy this stuff in a roll and you cut it to length. You can cut it down the middle if you want narrower ties. And if you cut it too short, you can simply stick two pieces together and make it longer.
Unique Photo Velcro Cable Tie Roll, 3/4inch x 5 Yards 30ct-07115

That should occupy all of your concern, not ESD damage.[/QUOTE]
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26 May 2012   #76
Chips

Windows 7
 
 

Finally got the last part today, the Noctua 120mm fan to go with the two Cooler Master 200mm fans. Now comes the scary part! Although, I think I'll wait till things have cooled down a bit 'cause the place is like an oven at the mo, and I'm guessing me sweating like a pig could prove hazardous to the computer.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost View Post
Chips, the bigger issue is to make sure you find a good, stable workspace with plenty of room to spread out. Make sure your lighting is good, and take your time putting the system together properly. Run your cables in ways that you can "hide" them, so the air will flow through your case. Since you said you bought a HAF912, let me know if you have any questions. I hide much of the excess cabling behind the motherboard tray and use zip ties to secure it in place back there.
Yep, got a space sorted out. It also has plenty of light too. Don't suppose you could post some pics of how you hid your wiring?
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26 May 2012   #77
ignatzatsonic

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1, 64-bit
 
 

Chips:

The hiding of wiring varies greatly from case to case. You can always come back and hide the cables after you get the thing built and running. That's what I'd concentrate on the first attempt.

First thing I would do is compare the holes in the motherboard to the stand-off mounting holes in the case. There are typically some holes in the case that you will not put a stand-off in. Those are for other types of motherboards. If your motherboard has 8 holes, you should put a stand-off in the 8 locations in the case that will match up with those motherboard holes so the board will drop down onto those stand-offs when you put it in the case. You don't want a standoff that doesn't have a corresponding motherboard hole.

Then locate the plugs on the motherboard that will need a connection to the power supply and locate the power supply cable that will go to those plugs.

Locate the motherboard pins to which your fans and front panel switches will attach.

I'd install the RAM, CPU, and heatsink onto the motherboard before mounting the motherboard in the case.

Most likely install the PSU before the motherboard as well.
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26 May 2012   #78
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Hiding of wiring depends entirely upon the case, the components inside of the case and the amount of cable you have to work with/hide. You are going to have to take some time, look it over and figure it out.
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26 May 2012   #79
Britton30
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Chips View Post
Yep, got a space sorted out. It also has plenty of light too. Don't suppose you could post some pics of how you hid your wiring?
Have a look through this thread. https://www.sevenforums.com/overclock...r-rig-3-a.html Many of us have posted pics of our builds. :)
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
Hiding of wiring depends entirely upon the case, the components inside of the case and the amount of cable you have to work with/hide. You are going to have to take some time, look it over and figure it out.
And the you see something that can be "better", so it's off to the races again.
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26 May 2012   #80
essenbe

Windows 10 Pro/ Windows 10 Pro Insider
 
 

I think it takes me longer to figure out the wiring than it does to do the actual build. Most of the really good wiring jobs are usually when you re wire it several times.With wiring, the best distance between two points is not usually a straight line. But, getting it put together and running is most important. The wiring can be re done later, if necessary.
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