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Windows 7: New CPU, what would you suggest.

28 Sep 2009   #11
Barman58

Windows 10 Pro x64 x3, Ubuntu
 
 

Just to add my own "fly in the ointment" I would personally like to agree with both of the larger posts above.

When upgrading a system I would suggest that the motherboard and the processor should be matched for the best possible upgrade in all cases other that the replacement of a failed component. I would even go as far as to include memory in this.

The motherboard and processor market both move so quickly that it is never good policy to not change both at the same time

It may mean that you have to put off the actual upgrade until sufficient funds are available but will hopefully prevent the next upgrade cycle from being needed quite as soon.

other more peripheral items may be re-used but I do believe that the Core components, ( pun unintentional ), should be treated as a single item when considering an upgrade.


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28 Sep 2009   #12
ccatlett1984

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by H2SO4
- While the performance difference between any two motherboards is at best difficult to quantify, having double the number of processor cores is an ENORMOUS advantage. Everything else being equal, a quad-core in a $100 mobo will easily outperform a dual-core plugged into $300-worth of motherboard electronics, in all but the most contrived of benchmarks.
The issue with that statement, is that not many apps will use all 4 cores, so unless you are running many apps at the same time, you will have cores sitting idle.

ADVISE: I would go with a name brand mobo, (I prefer ASUS) look at the features the board gives you (ie. the amount of ram it supports, the speed of the ram, if it has onboard RAID, 1 or 2 onboard NIC's etc.) The most I have ever spent on a mobo is $200, and that was because it supported 4 x16 PCI-e cards.
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28 Sep 2009   #13
H2SO4

Win7x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ccatlett1984 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by H2SO4 View Post
- While the performance difference between any two motherboards is at best difficult to quantify, having double the number of processor cores is an ENORMOUS advantage. Everything else being equal, a quad-core in a $100 mobo will easily outperform a dual-core plugged into $300-worth of motherboard electronics, in all but the most contrived of benchmarks.
The issue with that statement, is that not many apps will use all 4 cores, so unless you are running many apps at the same time, you will have cores sitting idle.
The unit of scheduling is the thread, not the process ("app"). In other words, core1 can work on a thread from appX while core2 works on a thread from appY, and so on. In fact, the OS doesn't care whether a thread belongs to a particular process - it has entirely different criteria for deciding which thread to schedule next.

Also remember that at any time the OS itself will spawn anywhere from tens to hundreds of threads, most of which compete with apps for processor time (some always "win" because the odds are stacked in their favour). Sure, most threads are inactive most of the time, but when there's hundreds of 'em that's a fair amount of contention.

For the gamer types, the act of actually having to park a game's thread aside in order to do OS work is a horribly nasty prospect. A dual-core machine will need to do that more often than a quad-core. The latter has twice as many options when it comes to maybe letting the game thread continue running instead of interrupting it.

Newer software is a lot more multi-threaded too, and getting more so all the time. Games developers are going in that direction, and "serious" business apps like Photoshop and AutoCAD are already gauging how many threads to spin off during heavy number crunching based on the detected number of processors (or cores).

More cores for the win
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28 Sep 2009   #14
nate42nd

Windows 7 Professional x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Daran View Post
Hi all

I hope that admin will allow this to run for a while. I love Windows 7 and have just sold my motherboard, CPU and RAM last night, so today is upgrade day. The situation is that I would like some advice on what to upgrade to. I currently have an extra Intel D965LT motherboard at home but I am unsure if I should use it and go for a higher end Core 2 Duo CPU or if I should buy an entry level Core 2 Duo, but then buy a motherboard that supports Quad Processors. Also, I am unsure how the Intel board will support W7 as looking at their Bios updates it is not showing anything for Vista or W7.

All suggestions will be noted.

Thanks All
Don't overlook the i5 750. You can get a $100 motherboard and I think beat any 775 socket CPU for performance. This would be something to think about.
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28 Sep 2009   #15
stormy13
Microsoft MVP

Win 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Seeing as it was never mentioned and no one asked, what kind of budget do you have?
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28 Sep 2009   #16
Lordbob75

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, Mint 9
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Barman58 View Post
Just to add my own "fly in the ointment" I would personally like to agree with both of the larger posts above.

When upgrading a system I would suggest that the motherboard and the processor should be matched for the best possible upgrade in all cases other that the replacement of a failed component. I would even go as far as to include memory in this.

The motherboard and processor market both move so quickly that it is never good policy to not change both at the same time

It may mean that you have to put off the actual upgrade until sufficient funds are available but will hopefully prevent the next upgrade cycle from being needed quite as soon.

other more peripheral items may be re-used but I do believe that the Core components, ( pun unintentional ), should be treated as a single item when considering an upgrade.
+1
My thoughts exactly. This will enable the best function between all of the most important pieces of your computer.

I also tend to buy the middle priced stuff. This means it is not obsolete for a while, but I stay away from the exponential price curve of 'the best' hardware.

~Lordbob
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29 Sep 2009   #17
Daran

Windows 7
 
 

Hi all

Thanks for all the info, I must say that this forum rocks when it comes to replies and stuff.

Due to budget and time and stock constraints, I bought the following:

Motherboard: Intel Raisen City
CPU: Intel Core2Quad Q9400
Memory: 2 Gig DDR 800

Memory will increase to 4 Gig next month and matbe a better Motherboard in December.
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29 Sep 2009   #18
Lordbob75

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, Mint 9
 
 

Pretty good choices...

One thing I see though: Your RAM, is that DDR2?

~Lordbob
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29 Sep 2009   #19
Daran

Windows 7
 
 

yes... to be honest, I did not even check if the board supports DDR 3
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29 Sep 2009   #20
Lordbob75

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, Mint 9
 
 

I like DDR2 better, as it is about the same, but reasonably priced.

Just wanted to make sure that it was not DDR.

~Lordbob
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