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Windows 7: 2016 -advice to not defrag a SSD still holds win7 ?

04 Dec 2016   #11
prukeyhi

98SE/XP/windows7 ultimate 32bit
 
 

Thanks for your comments ,
I agree with Lady Fitzgerald, as the article claim and it make logic (at least for me..)
"file fragmentation (when the metadata can’t represent any more file fragments) which will result in errors when you try to write/extend a file. Furthermore, more file fragments means more metadata to process while reading/writing a file, which can lead to slower performance"


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06 Dec 2016   #12
MoxieMomma

OEM Windows 7 Ult (x64) SP1
 
 

Hi, @prukeyhi:

This thread at our system forum might interest you:
Whats the best Defragger for Windows 10? - Windows 10 Forums

The fact that they are talking about Win10 does not matter, as the same advice would apply to Win7.

The newer SSDs are more robust than older ones, but they work differently from SATA HDDs.
When they fail, it can happen suddenly and it's much harder (often impossible) to recover data in the same manner as from a spinner.
I would not want to do anything that could hasten that failure.
As already mentioned, defragmenting will commit a lot of unnecessary "writes" to the drive.
And there are other ways to improve computer performance and "speed" on a given set of hardware specs.
But it's certainly up to you.
If you're going to defrag your SSD, I suggest following the advice in the other thread to ensure that you have frequent, robust data backups and system images to help recover from a potential disk failure.

Cheers,
MM
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06 Dec 2016   #13
prukeyhi

98SE/XP/windows7 ultimate 32bit
 
 

thanks MoxieMomma,
though i should point that according to the article in #1 , windows 7 does not know how to
"deal" with ssd defraf. comparing windows 8/10
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12 Dec 2016   #14
notis

Windows 7 Home Premium x64, *W7 Prem. x64
 
 

Hello everyone!
I've a question for someone who knows well defraggler from piriform.
I (also), never was using third party tools but last week I decided to download it because from all the good reviews there are around... Now I'm a bit in confuse if it s worth to use it when is so hard to know exactly what it is doing .. or maybe it is difficult to use it right .
My confuse.. is in the drive map where shells (small boxes) represent sectors or small amounts of space.
When I started I thought they represent clusters or a fixed amount and everything was clear... after when it happens to drag the map and change it's size I found out that is completely arbitary what they represent...
I started to count and I found out that other times one small box could be 34 MB or 50 or any amount dependent of how larger or smaller you make the whole map... This is very confusing (at least for me...) because the "picture" that they are all continuous with not empty spaces it says nothing.... also when there are empty spaces again you cannot know what exactly it means... I tried to make it clear ..like to see what files there are inside how much space anyone takes and what is going on with no success..... In the end it was so complicate.. that I "gave up"..... I mean to decide if I've to defrag the drive or not in relation from the "picture" the map is giving is total meaningless.

If you understood my poor english... Do I miss something here? For example if I've two files continuous 5 and 10MB, when the shells are representing 15MB each , it'll show the boxes continuous with the next, no wholes... but when the boxes represent eg. 3MB it'll show one empty box.. (fragmented)
Thanks
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12 Dec 2016   #15
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

I've found the Win 7's defragger works just fine and is much better than Defraggler. In fact, even though Defraggler worked great in XP, I found that it does not work well in Win 7.
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13 Dec 2016   #16
prukeyhi

98SE/XP/windows7 ultimate 32bit
 
 

notis,
do you have ssd derive?
according to discussion in the thread its better not to defrag ssd. at all
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13 Dec 2016   #17
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

This is my simple methods and thoughts.


Windows 7 does not get fragmented like older operating systems.
***Please note:
I have never run a computer 24/7.

1. I know of no SSD manufacture of quality SSD's that recommends defragging.

2. Defragging any type any type of drive put a heavy load on the drive.

3. A hard drive needs defragged to help Windows 7 to find things without searching all over the drive. A SSD has no problem finding things if TRIM is set properly.

4. When defragging a hard drive I use the built in Windows 7 defrag program.
A year or so ago I tested various defrag programs on a hard drive and found that none worked better than the built in Windows 7 defrag.
Windows 7 defrag puts things where Windows 7 wants them, not where a 3rd party program wants them.

5. Can one defrag a SSD? Yes you can. I have done it for S & G and found (Zero) improvements.

Conclusion that I have come up with is very simple.

Defragging a SSD is useless if things are set up properly by using TRIM.
All defrag does is put a unnecessary work load on the SSD.

**I use Intel SSD's, therefore I use the Intel SSD Toolbox about once a week as recommended by Intel.

Jack
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13 Dec 2016   #18
prukeyhi

98SE/XP/windows7 ultimate 32bit
 
 

I have done it for S & G -?
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13 Dec 2016   #19
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

S & G = Sh-ts and Grins = Just to see what would happen.
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13 Dec 2016   #20
prukeyhi

98SE/XP/windows7 ultimate 32bit
 
 

thanks Layback Bear.
your Intel SSD Toolbox- what does it do once a week/what actions?
i have crucial ssd
http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/ssd
and never had tool box or support for my SSD ....
maybe this ?
Crucial Storage Executive Tool | Firmware Download | Crucial.com
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