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Windows 7: Questions re hybrid drive choice and usage

09 Jan 2017   #21
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

Hi,
Yea I'd leave indexing alone too
If you don't use hibernation or can live without it = depending on if you have a backup battery system you can disable hibernation.


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10 Jan 2017   #22
Megahertz07

Windows 7 HP 64
 
 

Below are the files you need to move \Users to D:
w7hp.xml - Edit to match your needs (follow Kari tutorial)
sysprep.cmd.txt - Edit to match your needs (follow Kari tutorial) and then rename to sysprep.cmd

https://www.sevenforums.com/attachmen...d-relocate.zip

I've one PNY - so far so good
PNY CS1311 2.5" 120GB SATA III TLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) SSD7CS1311-120-RB-Newegg.com
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10 Jan 2017   #23
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
Hi,
Yea I'd leave indexing alone too
If you don't use hibernation or can live without it = depending on if you have a backup battery system you can disable hibernation.
To expand on ThrashZone's answer a bit... A UPS (Uninterruptable Power supply, a battery backed device that will keep your computer running briefly after a power outage until it can be safely shut down) uses Hibernation to save any work on your computer and shut down the computer so it isn't lost after a power failure if you have it set up to do so. If you do not, or you don't have a UPS (they are not cheap), and you do not otherwise use Hibernation, then disabling Hibernation will reduce the number of writes to the SSD.

In my case, I do not have Hibernation disabled on my desktop machine since I do have it powered through a UPS and I have it set to Hibernate the computer if the power isn't restored in two minutes. My two notebooks, however, even though their batteries act like a UPS, are never never running unattended so, if the power goes out while I'm using one, I have almost four hours to finish what I am doing and manually shut down the computer. Since I would never otherwise use Hibernate on those computers, I disabled Hibernate on them.

If you do use Hibernate, I wouldn't worry about disabling it. While Hibernate does use up some of the available writes on an SSD, the chances are pretty good you still won't use up them up before you replace the SSD, or the computer, with newer technology.
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10 Jan 2017   #24
SeanHL

Windows 7 64 bit
 
 

I'm trying to do some research on the differences between the PRO and EVO series, and it basically comes down to how long the memory lasts, right? There's a big difference, but i do see that the EVO's TLC memory is estimated to last for the shorter period of 19 years, though it doesn't specify under which conditions that is. It's probably not as good as it sounds, since i know it's more of a gradual decline than an immediate one, but it seems tempting. 1TB of EVO memory actually seems possible, budget-wise. and would give me enough headroom for a bit of deterioration. Alternatively, i'd have to go for 500GB of PRO memory (costing 240, my earlier check was wrong), which still seems just a little bit small. So my current options are this:

1: 128GB SSD PRO and 1TB HDD for about 200 total
-hassle of handling multiple drives of different types, slower overall speed. Contains a HDD, which seem to be cursed for me.
+Reaches required storage space and boot speed for lowest price.
2: 500GB PRO SSD for 240
-Not really big enough, and i can't add a second SSD later. Using a small HDD or external storage for infrequently accessed files seems possible, but they're only a small portion of what currently occupies my disk space, so it wouldn't help much to move them off the main drive.
+Everything loads super fast, it's simple, and only slightly more expensive that the previous option. Only issue is the space.
3: 1TB EVO for 320 euros.
-Expensive. Lower lifespan than the previous options, depending how long the HDD lasts this time, but how long that lifespan would be is debatable. This page seems hopeful though:
Endurance: Not a Problem Even at 19nm - Samsung SSD 840 EVO Review: 120GB, 250GB, 500GB, 750GB & 1TB Models Tested
The final section does state that the lifespan would be significantly shorter when moving around small files, but even if it would only be 25% of what's listed there it would still be way longer than what i've experienced so far. I'll just have to be careful on how i manage my files.
+As easy to use as the 500GB SSD, and reaches the size i want. If the above link is accurate, it wouldn't even matter in terms of lifespan either.

So what do you guys think of my third option? As long as i follow the advice of the link thrashzone posted earlier, it should be fine.
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10 Jan 2017   #25
SeanHL

Windows 7 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Megahertz07 View Post
Below are the files you need to move \Users to D:
w7hp.xml - Edit to match your needs (follow Kari tutorial)
sysprep.cmd.txt - Edit to match your needs (follow Kari tutorial) and then rename to sysprep.cmd

https://www.sevenforums.com/attachmen...d-relocate.zip

I've one PNY - so far so good
PNY CS1311 2.5" 120GB SATA III TLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) SSD7CS1311-120-RB-Newegg.com
According to his toturial, i only need the xml file. Where is the cmd file mentioned?
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10 Jan 2017   #26
Megahertz07

Windows 7 HP 64
 
 

Page 5 - Using System Preparation Tool. Instead of typing the CMD Sysprep.exe /audit /reboot /unattend:\relocate.xml - use the bat file.
The Relocate.xml file is for win 7 pro.
If your win 7 is other then pro, let me know so I can give you the appropriate file.
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10 Jan 2017   #27
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SeanHL View Post
I'm trying to do some research on the differences between the PRO and EVO series, and it basically comes down to how long the memory lasts, right? There's a big difference, but i do see that the EVO's TLC memory is estimated to last for the shorter period of 19 years, though it doesn't specify under which conditions that is. It's probably not as good as it sounds, since i know it's more of a gradual decline than an immediate one, but it seems tempting. 1TB of EVO memory actually seems possible, budget-wise. and would give me enough headroom for a bit of deterioration. Alternatively, i'd have to go for 500GB of PRO memory (costing 240, my earlier check was wrong), which still seems just a little bit small. So my current options are this:

1: 128GB SSD PRO and 1TB HDD for about 200 total
-hassle of handling multiple drives of different types, slower overall speed. Contains a HDD, which seem to be cursed for me.
+Reaches required storage space and boot speed for lowest price.
2: 500GB PRO SSD for 240
-Not really big enough, and i can't add a second SSD later. Using a small HDD or external storage for infrequently accessed files seems possible, but they're only a small portion of what currently occupies my disk space, so it wouldn't help much to move them off the main drive.
+Everything loads super fast, it's simple, and only slightly more expensive that the previous option. Only issue is the space.
3: 1TB EVO for 320 euros.
-Expensive. Lower lifespan than the previous options, depending how long the HDD lasts this time, but how long that lifespan would be is debatable. This page seems hopeful though:
Endurance: Not a Problem Even at 19nm - Samsung SSD 840 EVO Review: 120GB, 250GB, 500GB, 750GB & 1TB Models Tested
The final section does state that the lifespan would be significantly shorter when moving around small files, but even if it would only be 25% of what's listed there it would still be way longer than what i've experienced so far. I'll just have to be careful on how i manage my files.
+As easy to use as the 500GB SSD, and reaches the size i want. If the above link is accurate, it wouldn't even matter in terms of lifespan either.

So what do you guys think of my third option? As long as i follow the advice of the link thrashzone posted earlier, it should be fine.
Since cost is an issue, I would got with Option 3.There was an endurance test recently that showed the 840 EVO lasting up to 600TB of writes, although by then it was wearing out blocks (SSDs' equivalent to HDD sectors)—that started at 200TB of writes—and didn't last much longer after that. Keep in mind this was an 840 EVO; the current 850 EVOs are better drives. The upshot of this is, as long as you don't do a lot of heavy writing (such as commercial video rendering) or something stupid, such as daily defragging (you should never defrag an SSD except, maybe, once every two or three years), you will most likely never wear out the SSD before you upgrade to newer technology.

Keep in mind the review you linked was for the older 840 EVO. The current 850 EVOs have a five year, 150TBW (TB of Writes) warranty, much better than the 840 EVOs.

Keep in mind that any drive, no matter the quality, can fail prematurely; that's why they have warranties. The better drives are just less likely for that to happen.

Alos keep in mind that, since any drive can fail without warning at any time, backups are imperative! Be sure to allow for backup drives in your budget (although you can less expensive 5400rpm HDDs for backups; that's what I used to do).
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10 Jan 2017   #28
SeanHL

Windows 7 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Megahertz07 View Post
Page 5 - Using System Preparation Tool. Instead of typing the CMD Sysprep.exe /audit /reboot /unattend:\relocate.xml - use the bat file.
The Relocate.xml file is for win 7 pro.
If your win 7 is other then pro, let me know so I can give you the appropriate file.
I had already made and edited the appropriate file myself, but thanks anyway. As for the bat file, i should just replace the entire 'Using System Preparation Tool' step with just running your file, right? Just to be clear.

While i do appreciate the help by the way, i might not end up using the method you're suggesting, Since using a single SSD without a HDD might be easier for me. I'll still keep your help bookmarked though, since it sounds useful and interesting.
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10 Jan 2017   #29
SeanHL

Windows 7 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
Since cost is an issue, I would got with Option 3.There was an endurance test recently that showed the 840 EVO lasting up to 600TB of writes, although by then it was wearing out blocks (SSDs' equivalent to HDD sectors)—that started at 200TB of writes—and didn't last much longer after that. Keep in mind this was an 840 EVO; the current 850 EVOs are better drives. The upshot of this is, as long as you don't do a lot of heavy writing (such as commercial video rendering) or something stupid, such as daily defragging (you should never defrag an SSD except, maybe, once every two or three years), you will most likely never wear out the SSD before you upgrade to newer technology.

Keep in mind the review you linked was for the older 840 EVO. The current 850 EVOs have a five year, 150TBW (TB of Writes) warranty, much better than the 840 EVOs.

Keep in mind that any drive, no matter the quality, can fail prematurely; that's why they have warranties. The better drives are just less likely for that to happen.

Alos keep in mind that, since any drive can fail without warning at any time, backups are imperative! Be sure to allow for backup drives in your budget (although you can less expensive 5400rpm HDDs for backups; that's what I used to do).
Great. I'm buying the third option then. Thanks very much, it's a load off my mind.
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10 Jan 2017   #30
SeanHL

Windows 7 64 bit
 
 

Before i go, i do have one last question:

What if i want to move the SSD to a new pc in the far future? I have found guides on how to clear the data, but all of them require me to be able to have the SSD in an already running PC. Could i just clear the SSD while it is still in a soon-to-be-replaced PC? I'm aware it would clear the OS, but would it then be ready to use in a new install?
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