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Windows 7: I am puzzled - HDD question

28 May 2017   #1
zpoison

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 
I am puzzled - HDD question

Hi,
while downloading a file from nitroflare on the net, with IDM my PC restarted.
The log shows atapi error as the first error (my HDD is in a external enclosure)

Its the second time the HDD makes the PC to restart in 7-10 days(not sure if its because of the HDD)
I believe the last time I was also downloading a file from the net

This HDD is new (bought as "new refurbished")

MY QUESTION
If I do a checkdisk from windows, with both 2 options checked(automatically fix + scan for & attempt recovery) will this be as good as if I do a cmd chkdsk /f /r ?

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ANOTHER QUESTION please

I need to know if a HDD is 100% like a new one (and won't make errors in the future)

What are the steps to take (in windows)


(no HDtune or similar please, I don't like this that much)


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28 May 2017   #2
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Depending on who you bought the HDD from, "new refurbished" could just mean the drive had the outside cleaned up and, maybe, a new label slapped on it. Or it could have actually had malfunctioning parts replaced inside (not likely, however).
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28 May 2017   #3
zpoison

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Yes, but I need to know the answer to my 2 questions please
It's been 2 times I am rebooting ( I now had stop the automatic reboot option when crash)

I want to know if I should return the HDD or not

My first 2 questions were about this subject

I need to know please
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28 May 2017   #4
samuria

win 8 32 bit
 
 

Most hd makers have a special tool on their website to test the drive that will be a good test
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28 May 2017   #5
LMiller7

Windows 7 Pro 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
Depending on who you bought the HDD from, "new refurbished" could just mean the drive had the outside cleaned up and, maybe, a new label slapped on it. Or it could have actually had malfunctioning parts replaced inside (not likely, however).
No refurbished drive is going to have any parts replaced. The cost of doing so would be more than the drive is worth. Essentially a refurbished drive is one that has passed all tests.
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28 May 2017   #6
zpoison

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

I did the WD data lifeguard tool test and had the SMART test passed good
I did not make the full extended test, it would take 48 hours

If I pass the smart test, it means my HDD will not encounter any failure or something?

What I suspect is that the seller I bought from, is buying in bulk some HDD that have failed and he return them in bulk to WD and sell them back.
That's why I feel the need to really know if the HDD is fully working for good, for many years.
thanks
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29 May 2017   #7
LMiller7

Windows 7 Pro 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by zpoison View Post
I need to know if a HDD is 100% like a new one (and won't make errors in the future)
Impossible.

Any drive, any manufacturer, new or old, can fail at any time and often without warning or apparent cause.
The short and long tests tell you of the drives current state, but that tells you nothing of the future. SMART is an attempt to predict when a drive might fail but experience shows it is not very reliable. It tells you of specific conditions that have been associated with early drive failure. But the lack of any warning signs does not mean all is well. A drive that passes all tests and without any warning signs could be dead tomorrow. In most cases there is no way of knowing why the failure occurred. A drive can have internal problems that are undetectable by any known test.

Sorry, but that is reality.

You could try to return the drive but at present I doubt the manufacturer would accept it.
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29 May 2017   #8
AddRAM

Windows 7 Pro x64 Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

I would never buy a drive labeled "new refurbished"

Download and install Crystal Disk Info, see what it says about the drive.

Download Center - Crystal Dew World

Click on the link above to download the software. Install and run it, it will tell you if you drive is good.


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29 May 2017   #9
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by LMiller7 View Post
No refurbished drive is going to have any parts replaced. The cost of doing so would be more than the drive is worth. Essentially a refurbished drive is one that has passed all tests.
Note I said that it was unlikely. The higher end drives can have parts replaced cost effectively, depending on the part. I was told this awhile back by a WD rep on another forum.
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29 May 2017   #10
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by LMiller7 View Post
Impossible.

Any drive, any manufacturer, new or old, can fail at any time and often without warning or apparent cause.
The short and long tests tell you of the drives current state, but that tells you nothing of the future. SMART is an attempt to predict when a drive might fail but experience shows it is not very reliable. It tells you of specific conditions that have been associated with early drive failure. But the lack of any warning signs does not mean all is well. A drive that passes all tests and without any warning signs could be dead tomorrow. In most cases there is no way of knowing why the failure occurred. A drive can have internal problems that are undetectable by any known test.

Sorry, but that is reality.

You could try to return the drive but at present I doubt the manufacturer would accept it.
It's also possible for a drive to pass diagnostic tests and have good S.M.A.R.T attributes and still not function properly, especially if the problem is intermittent. I had a brand new Samsung 4TB EVO SSD repeatedly pass all its tests and would still drop out a little while after rebooting. Replacing it with another new Sammy fixed the problem. Fortunately, I was able to return to the vendor for a new replacement.

@ zpoison Where did you buy the drive?
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