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Windows 7: A new Battery Backup system

17 Oct 2017   #11
TechnoMage2016

Windows 7 Ultimate, SP1, x86
 
 

I tried Cyber Power, but they wouldn't take a car battery as a backup power source.

I also had a problem with one, and sent it back to the company, under warranty. Two weeks later, I got another one in return....it had the same problem as the first one. I couldn't get it to work right with the monitoring program in the PC. I still have that one, it only backs up my telephone answering machine and one digital clock. And, when it finally craps out, I'll just toss it in the trash and go get me another APC.

My UPS's are now just for temporary backup, because during any extended power outage, I'll just fire up my new Generator.

Thank you for your participation!




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17 Oct 2017   #12
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by TechnoMage2016 View Post
I tried Cyber Power, but they wouldn't take a car battery as a backup power source.

I also had a problem with one, and sent it back to the company, under warranty. Two weeks later, I got another one in return....it had the same problem as the first one. I couldn't get it to work right with the monitoring program in the PC. I still have that one, it only backs up my telephone answering machine and one digital clock. And, when it finally craps out, I'll just toss it in the trash and go get me another APC.

My UPS's are now just for temporary backup, because during any extended power outage, I'll just fire up my new Generator.

Thank you for your participation!

Good to know that Cyberpower won't work with an external battery.

I've considered getting a natural gas powered backup generator for my home. They aren't cheap, though, and the mobile home court I live in might not like it.
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18 Oct 2017   #13
billmcct

Windows 7 Home Premium
 
 

You should consider a deepcycle battery. I'm not speaking of a boat battery since they aren't really true deepcycle batteries. Look at batteries for wheelchairs and scooters. With the right battery you could power the computer for over a month.

Bill
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18 Oct 2017   #14
TechnoMage2016

Windows 7 Ultimate, SP1, x86
 
 

Sounds good, but that's not 100% correct. You might say that I've "been there and done that", and didn't even get the T-shirt. If the battery is too large, the little charging circuit in a UPS won't be able to charge it. So it's somewhat of a balancing act, between a battery that is big enough to do the job and one that is too big to be properly charged.

What I've got right now works fine and is 1000 times better than just an off-the-shelf UPS.

My Lady,
You definitely have my sympathy, living in a Mobile Home Park. Yes, they can be finicky about anything that makes any noise. I've been there and done that too.... and that's why I moved my 14x70' single wide from Central Illinois to Central FL, back in '88 and put it on an acre and a quarter of wooded country land. But, in both locations, I'm no stranger to power outages.

Out here in the Boonies, we're subject to a power outage at any minute of any day. Those can last for just a few minutes to several hours, depending on why the outage occurred. It can be half a day if some drunk takes out a power pole. I only mention that, because it's happened more than once.
And there are a lot of OLD trees, that border the power lines, that can fall over at any moment....and they do!

I do have a great little generator that I have rigged up to power my whole house, and well, just not all at once.
It does require me to do some "power management".
I got the best performance that I could, for the $'s I had to spend.
But, I won't crank up the generator for every little glitch in the line power. That's what the UPS's are for.

Home Generator use is a topic for a whole different thread.

UPS batteries don't last forever, and can be expensive to replace, so it's a good idea to Test Drive a UPS every month or so, by unplugging it from the Line Power while under a normal load, and see just how long it runs, before it signals a low battery condition. I've been given numerous UPS's that failed because the battery went bad and the owner was either unwilling or unable to change the battery. Often times it's cheaper to just buy a new UPS than pay for a new battery and pay for the installation.

Y'all have a great day now, Y'hear?
TechnoMage
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18 Oct 2017   #15
billmcct

Windows 7 Home Premium
 
 

Deepcycle batteries are usually charged at 1 to 2 amps I really don't know what an UPs charges at. Cars on the other hand use 10 to 30 amps.
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18 Oct 2017   #16
TechnoMage2016

Windows 7 Ultimate, SP1, x86
 
 

In the most general and basic terms, I'd have to say that the chargers in most UPS's only put out what might be called a "Trickle Charge" in milliamps rather than Amps.
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18 Oct 2017   #17
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by TechnoMage2016 View Post
...My Lady,
You definitely have my sympathy, living in a Mobile Home Park. Yes, they can be finicky about anything that makes any noise...
It's nowhere as bad as you make it sound, at least the one I live in. The level of finickiness (is that even a word?) depends on the manager we have at the time (I've lived there over 20 years). We have had only one really bad manager (she was horrible harridan and I was just about ready to sic the State on her when she did us all a fabulous favor and got herself fired) and the one we have had for the past several years is a real gem. She treats people like people.

You have to keep in mind mobile homes, especially relative antiques like mine, have thin walls so some finickiness about noise is understandable and is desirable. I don't want to listen to unnecessary noise coming through the walls of my trailer, especially booming bass from loud music, and it's only fair that I don't inflict the same noise on others.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by TechnoMage2016 View Post
...It can be half a day if some drunk takes out a power pole...
The standing joke with line crews when I still worked for an electric utility was that the poles jumped out in front of the drunks, based on what some actually told the police before they had time to dry out (and some even after drying out).

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by TechnoMage2016 View Post
...UPS batteries don't last forever, and can be expensive to replace, so it's a good idea to Test Drive a UPS every month or so, by unplugging it from the Line Power while under a normal load, and see just how long it runs, before it signals a low battery condition...
Cyberpower has a self test utility on for their units that seems to work ok. However, from time to time, I also trip the breaker on the circuit that feeds the UPS my computer and monitors are on just to assure myself everything is up to snuff. The UPS that protect the modem, router, tuners, TV antenna voltage injector, and telephone modem and cordless phone base station (only the latter two are connected to the battery protected side) that reside on the self in my bathroom (the only place I had room for it all) has received an occasional "test" from occasional power outages.

This is the shelf in the closet where I keep all my network "stuff" (the UPS is on the right:

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My "landline" phone system is actually a cellular system. It's from Straight Talk, connects to the Verizon network, costs me a whopping $16.60/month for unlimited local and domestic long distance talk, and is portable. I can disconnect the cellular modem, landline phone, and grab them plus a spare antenna and wall wart PSU, then reconnect the phone anywhere I have power and a Verizon signal and have access to my home phone.

(I have no idea why the below image keeps showing up even though I deleted the darned thing. It's an earlier version of the set up before I relocated the UPS to allow me to see the display panel but it's too small to read the captions. It looks like this is going to be another one of those days.)


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21 Oct 2017   #18
TechnoMage2016

Windows 7 Ultimate, SP1, x86
 
 

Update:

After several days of being on a slow charge from my new APC UPS, "Back UPS 450", my external Lead Acid battery is showing 13.43 vdc. I'll have to call that "Full Charge".
It does take longer for the UPS to charge a large Lead Acid battery, than to charge the little Gel-Cell that comes INSIDE the UPS from the factory.

Cheers Mates,
TechnoMage
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26 Oct 2017   #19
mrjimphelps

Linux Mint 18.2 xfce 64-bit (VMWare host) / Windows 8.1 Pro 32-bit (VMWare guest)
 
 

Our power goes out sometimes, and I've looked into getting a generator; but I understand that a gasoline generator is really bad on sensitive electronic equipment, unless you get an expensive inverter model.

On the other hand, if you installed a good battery (such as the car batteries mentioned by TechnoMage) to serve as a buffer between the generator and the sensitive equipment, you would probably be fine.

When I lived in the city, I thought about getting a whole-house natural gas generator, but they are very expensive. Back in those days, we had a natural gas pipe coming from the city to my house. But now we live in the country, and we have no natural gas at our house.
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26 Oct 2017   #20
TechnoMage2016

Windows 7 Ultimate, SP1, x86
 
 

Mr Jim,
I don't know how you would buffer a 120vac generator with a 12 vdc battery.
"That does not computer, Will Robinson!" (said the Robot)

With my Predator 4000 Generator running, I had one UPS that would cycle on and off, on and off, etc.
But my computer, LED TV, cable box and other electronics ran just fine. All other devices in my house, like the Fridge, Microwave Oven, kitchen appliances and such, ran just fine.

I have limited resources, so when I found I could buy the Predator 4000 Generator at Harbor Freight for just $275, I jumped on that like a goose on a Junebug.


There's NO natural gas out here in the country, so good ol' fashioned Gasoline will have to do.

Cheers Mates, and More POWER to you!
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