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Windows 7: Work-around for the 16GB limit on window home premium?

30 Nov 2017   #11
mrjimphelps

Linux Mint 18.2 xfce 64-bit (VMWare host) / Windows 8.1 Pro 32-bit (VMWare guest)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by larryccf View Post
i know this has to sound like a rant, but MS just seems to get under my skin
That's why I have switched to Linux Mint, only using Windows when I can't do something in Linux.

But that's for another thread.


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30 Nov 2017   #12
larryccf

windows 7 ultimate 64bit
 
 

i've toyed with the idea of going linux but at my age, i'm just tired of climbing learning curves

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mrjimphelps View Post
That's why I have switched to Linux Mint, only using Windows when I can't do something in Linux.

But that's for another thread.
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30 Nov 2017   #13
torchwood

W7 home premium 32bit/W7HP 64bit/w10 tp insider ring
 
 

Hi Larry,

re your last post keep hitting a brick wall, trying to reinstall ultimate.

Upgrading directly from Home to Ultimate is just a case of entering the Ultimate key, via
Windows Anytime Upgrade - How to - Windows 7 Help Forums

Roy
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30 Nov 2017   #14
larryccf

windows 7 ultimate 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by torchwood View Post
Hi Larry,

re your last post keep hitting a brick wall, trying to reinstall ultimate.

Upgrading directly from Home to Ultimate is just a case of entering the Ultimate key, via
Windows Anytime Upgrade - How to - Windows 7 Help Forums

Roy
actually, while it did install one time, albeit across 2 SSDs, the key was no issue. But since then, i'm not even getting to the part where you insert the key - as soon as windows boots up at the end of the installation, i find a message window indicating windows ultimate was not installed, as the system was not compatible and that my previous version of windows has been re-installed - i'm paraphrasing there some but it never gets to the Key part

so i went to microsoft to download an Iso copy, and before downloading it asks for my product key to confirm it's valid - well, it comes back indicating it's not. I suspect, when i deleted windows ultimate i needed to de-activate it - not certain of that, but if that is necessary then i've screwed the pooch on this copy of windows ultimate
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30 Nov 2017   #15
LMiller7

Windows 7 Pro 64 bit
 
 

Windows 7 was released in several editions with the higher editions costing more. If there were only one edition it would have to cost more than Windows 7 Home Premium if the same level of revenue were to be maintained. In a highly competitive market that would cause a lot of problems. Having multiple editions allows a lower price for the lower editions while the higher editions are available at a higher price for those who need or want those features. Most of the differences are artificial limitations which, considering the size of the entire OS, involve a quite trivial amount of code.

Obviously there will be differences of opinion as to which features should be cut from the lower editions. Decisions had to be made and they were made. The 16 GB RAM limit was such a decision. Maybe it was a good decision or maybe it was not. But it doesn't matter. It is a done deal. All we can do is accept it and move on. Such is life.
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30 Nov 2017   #16
larryccf

windows 7 ultimate 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by LMiller7 View Post
Windows 7 was released in several editions with the higher editions costing more. If there were only one edition it would have to cost more than Windows 7 Home Premium if the same level of revenue were to be maintained. In a highly competitive market that would cause a lot of problems. Having multiple editions allows a lower price for the lower editions while the higher editions are available at a higher price for those who need or want those features. Most of the differences are artificial limitations which, considering the size of the entire OS, involve a quite trivial amount of code.

Obviously there will be differences of opinion as to which features should be cut from the lower editions. Decisions had to be made and they were made. The 16 GB RAM limit was such a decision. Maybe it was a good decision or maybe it was not. But it doesn't matter. It is a done deal. All we can do is accept it and move on. Such is life.
I understand what you're saying, but my point was that limitation was a completely arbitrary limitation that personal, in my opinion, was off base. They can charge more for versions that offer more versatility, ie WMC etc, but to limit me in what equipment i can install on my computer?????

it kind of reveals their greed, which in the long run i have to wonder how much it costs them, ie how many folks going to apple or linux. Limiting ram capacity, that quite frankly is none of their business how much i install, is no different than limiting how many times i can start/stop the computer in a day, or how many programs i can open in the course of a day - what if you wanted to open 14 programs or one program 14 times in a day, or check your email 25 times, you should have bought SuperXXX edition.

yeah, i'm pretty negative about Bill Gates and MS, but not for insignificant reasons

I probably will go with apple in the future only because MS and Intell got together in Win 10 and are joining forces to force folks to upgrade. I don't know if you know this, but if you want to play 4K blu-ray discs, the blu-ray players require Windows 10 and a computer with a minimum of a Kaby Lakes CPU - there was one other requirement that i forget now. Meanwhile i record 4K off my 4k display's screen, and play it with no issue with a 4th gen cpu (i7-5960x) & a 8GB GPU on win 7 Pro (separate from the computer with win home premium.

It's a business model silicon valley is copying and expanding. I bought a NEST camera and installed it, only to find NEST gives you a one month trial subscription to their "cloud storage" then after that it's $10/month for 10 day video storage. It's the highest rate in the industry. But to force you to subscribe, they don't tell you in their marketing, that if you don't subscribe, you don't get all the features they touted, like push notifications (an alert on your smartphone that it detected motion).

Then to make it really apparent what their goal is, that is to strong arm you into a captive market scenario, they code their software to make it difficult for you to record the video on your own NAS or NVR. There are aftermarket video management software programs out, that actually work better than any of the camera mfgrs' software, especially in motion detection sensitivity adjustment etc - Nest is the only one that gives them all problems recording their video stream - and every few months, after the 3rd party software vendors workout a "workaround" so you can record the video stream, Nest recodes their software.

Whoops, forgot to mention - what your NEST camera is viewing, the video stream goes first to NEST's server (nest owned by google), then back down streams to your computer. Problem that creates though, is that it degrades one of the other features they advertise - voice comm with the visitor at the camera. The comm setup is not full duplex comm, so when someone rings the doorbell, I'd have to clik a microphone icon to talk to them, then in the conversation tell them to wait 3-4 seconds before responding. Their voice comm has to go to the NEST server first, then back down to my smartphone, and my unclikking the mike at my end, that signal has to go to NEST then back down to the camera, so that the mike on the camera will be active when the visitor responds. I sold that camera and went with a better brand, more professional grade and no strong arming their customer base. Instant comm or nearly instant, about a .5 second delay in comm. Uses open source video coding so it's a snap to record on my own computer

but you get my point
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30 Nov 2017   #17
torchwood

W7 home premium 32bit/W7HP 64bit/w10 tp insider ring
 
 

hi larry,

shoot over to Heidoc, W7 downloads are available there, direct from MS and NO key required for download.

If your key is System Builder or Retail then it should activate, and easily checkable by running this tool
AFTER its on your comp
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=52012
post the results

OEM is only valid on an original factory built comp.


Roy
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30 Nov 2017   #18
larryccf

windows 7 ultimate 64bit
 
 

thanks - At $219 in 2011 it was definitely retail - in fact, i could be wrong, but i think it wasn't until later that OEM versions started to show up
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30 Nov 2017   #19
larryccf

windows 7 ultimate 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by torchwood View Post
hi larry,

shoot over to Heidoc, W7 downloads are available there, direct from MS and NO key required for download.

If your key is System Builder or Retail then it should activate, and easily checkable by running this tool
AFTER its on your comp
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=52012
post the results

OEM is only valid on an original factory built comp.


Roy
just wanted to say thanks - don't know why but the iso trial copy from Heidoc installed - i also noticed it followed some different steps in the setup process, but thanks big time
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01 Dec 2017   #20
townsbg

Windows 7 pro 64-bit
 
 

There is a command prompt command to upgrade windows 7 version. I've only tried them on 2008 r2 and they work. See this page: Windows Edition-Servicing Command-Line Options

Note that you need to run an elevated command prompt and the process will reboot your computer. After you are done you can use your key to activate.
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