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Windows 7: Work-around for the 16GB limit on window home premium?

01 Dec 2017   #21
larryccf

windows 7 ultimate 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mrjimphelps View Post
Why did you have only 16 GB enabled?

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just happened to notice i had speed read your post and ignored that question - Windows Home Premium limits the user to 16 GB of Ram - after installing the ram, i noticed no difference in task manager, it only showed 16 GB, when i went to my properties on "my computer" it showed "32 GB installed, 16 GB enabled"

Ran a bunch of utilities testing it and all 32 showed good, and all the utilities recognized all 32 GB - researched it on the web and found a number of users having discovered that windows or microsoft choose to limit the Home Premium version of win 7 to 16 GB, while Pro and Ultimate are not limited

go figure


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01 Dec 2017   #22
Layback Bear

Windows 10 Pro. 64/ version 1709 Windows 7 Pro/64
 
 

First off Windows 7 Home Premium with 16 GB of ram will suite 90% plus of home users.
In my opinion that's one reason for the 16 GB restriction is their. It's for home use.

If a home user or anybody else needs or wants more ram the option to buy Pro or Ultimate was there. If you want more marbles in your marble bag, one just has to pay for it. Simple!

Was the more than 16 GB of ram a selling point using PRO or Ultimate? Sure was. It was also a way for Microsoft to get more money. So what? Give me more and and I'm willing to pay more.

That is why both my system are Windows 7 Pro/64. Of course Pro cost more.
You get what you pay for.

As far as I know their is no work around for the ram limitation in Home Premium.

Rendering video's quicker needs lots of ram. The more the better.
Knowing that, why would one buy Home Premium knowing the ram limitations?

If one can find a legal Windows 7 Pro/64 that should work quite well to solve the ram problem.

Another option would be Windows 10 Pro/64.

Jack
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01 Dec 2017   #23
larryccf

windows 7 ultimate 64bit
 
 

ACTUALLY, another poster pulled up an old web descript from microsoft where they were touting the win 7 family as supporting "all your memory" - wish i had the time to search for it

2nd, i'm sorry Layback Bear, that position is as contrary as it can be - what if Ford sold you a four door car, and after you tried to install four floor mats, and someone said something similiar to you, ie if you wanted to use 4 floor mats, ie 2 in the rear, you should have bought the "XE:" model

again, charging more for recognizable added elements, like WMC etc, i can concede. But the logic of what they're going to allow me to use in the way of RAM memory - way out of hand, especially when no mention was made of that limitation when they introduced win 7. When i was researching i also noticed complaints didn't surface until mid 2015 when folks started trying to get extra mileage out of their existing rigs

and i'm not sure i understand how "16GB satisfies 90% of the users out there" (paraphrase) justifies that limitation

And as to your question "Rendering video's quicker needs lots of ram. The more the better.
Knowing that, why would one buy Home Premium knowing the ram limitations?" Simple, i obviously didn't know about the limitation, but it also didn't exist when i first purchased Win 7 Ultimate in 2011, which wouldn't re-install when i built this rig - when i called into microsoft to ask why, even though it was a retail copy, i was told it has to have an existing copy of windows to upgrade - okay, that response made sense to me, but then after buying an OEM copy of win home premium, i found the win ultimate would not install and i quit screwing with it.

Plus this rig, with the 4790 cpu was not originally intended for heavy video rendering - when my video work got heavier, i built a new rig with a i7-5960X (8 cores) w/64 GB of ram, and it reduced my rendering times by about 60% - but there have been too many times i've got 3-4 jobs in front of me that need to get done, so while the 2nd rig is rendering, i go back to the 1st rig

but none of your stmts justify or diminish microsoft's manifestation of out right greed - go back and read my post about Google/NEST and their strong arming customers as a captive market. It's only silicon valley that practices that business model - obviously, keeping up with the Jones, in terms of who has the biggest yacht or personal 757 Boeing Dreamliner is a strong motivational factor.

Factually it doesn't matter if 99% of the existing users' needs are satisfied with 16GB of ram, if there's a real justification for that limitation, that wasn't revealed until a number of years after release, please point that one out to me.


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
First off Windows 7 Home Premium with 16 GB of ram will suite 90% plus of home users.
In my opinion that's one reason for the 16 GB restriction is their. It's for home use.

If a home user or anybody else needs or wants more ram the option to buy Pro or Ultimate was there. If you want more marbles in your marble bag, one just has to pay for it. Simple!

Was the more than 16 GB of ram a selling point using PRO or Ultimate? Sure was. It was also a way for Microsoft to get more money. So what? Give me more and and I'm willing to pay more.

That is why both my system are Windows 7 Pro/64. Of course Pro cost more.
You get what you pay for.

As far as I know their is no work around for the ram limitation in Home Premium.

Rendering video's quicker needs lots of ram. The more the better.
Knowing that, why would one buy Home Premium knowing the ram limitations?

If one can find a legal Windows 7 Pro/64 that should work quite well to solve the ram problem.

Another option would be Windows 10 Pro/64.

Jack
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01 Dec 2017   #24
Ranger4

Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit sp1
 
 

larryccf. What Layback Bear has stated is correct as far as the RAM limitations are concerned for Windows 7 Home Premium. If you are still in doubt have a look at this MS website.

What is the maximum amount of installed RAM that Windows 7 x64 can use?
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01 Dec 2017   #25
larryccf

windows 7 ultimate 64bit
 
 

and i'll repeat, what's the justification for limiting what i install in my computer - that is MY computer, with no EULA on it

what about general storage, whether HDD or SSD? what if you found out, why 90% of the users only use 500GB - 1TB of storage, and it's limited to that amount of storage?

i can't believe anyone would argue in defense of them doing that - you feel it's justifiable, good on you, but don't ask me to walk off that cliff with you. It's only the silicon valley business model that practices what you wouldn't accept in "hard" goods, whether electronic, clothing, automotive etc

on the upside, i purchased a win 7 ultimate product key on amazon for $13.77, only to find in the email the seller wanted me to download win 7 ultimate from a chinese website - i had already downloaded it and installed, per Torchwood's suggestion, off HeiDoc with a 30 day trial. When i tried to activate it with the product key the amazon seller had given me, it came back "The product key you typed in has been blocked by microsoft". Kind of a strange or strong statement, i mean they didn't say it was invalid but "blocked".

BUt on the upside, the product key on the retail copy i had, that would not work on microsoft's download site, coming back as "invalid",when out of frustration i tried it activating from "My Computer>Properties", it activated. Go figure
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02 Dec 2017   #26
townsbg

Windows 7 pro 64-bit sp 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by larryccf View Post
and i'll repeat, what's the justification for limiting what i install in my computer - that is MY computer, with no EULA on it
The EULA is built into the license agreement which you have to accept before installing Windows. When you "own" the windows source code you can make any EULA that you want. You only own a copy of it. Plus I don't see the point in ranting at us when we didn't do anything.

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on the upside, i purchased a win 7 ultimate product key on amazon for $13.77, only to find in the email the seller wanted me to download win 7 ultimate from a chinese website - i had already downloaded it and installed, per Torchwood's suggestion, off HeiDoc with a 30 day trial. When i tried to activate it with the product key the amazon seller had given me, it came back "The product key you typed in has been blocked by microsoft". Kind of a strange or strong statement, i mean they didn't say it was invalid but "blocked".
A lot of licenses for ultimate where pirated and it sounds like you got one of them. The first big hint is that it came for only $13.77. With Windows, just like everything, you get what you pay for. You don't pay full price you risk getting a pirated license. If you buy a cheaper version of Windows you get less features. Same thing with cars since you liked to use that example. Also the ram limitation is not new to 7. It existed in Vista as well.
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02 Dec 2017   #27
larryccf

windows 7 ultimate 64bit
 
 

My ranting wasn't directed at the forum members, but the very idea that anyone found that practice defensible

and i figured that but at $13.77 and being on amazon, it was a safe purchase - i'm not worried about that
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02 Dec 2017   #28
fireberd

Windows 10 64 bit
 
 

Not everything on Amazon is a safe purchase. There were fake Shure SM57 mic's sold on Amazon.
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02 Dec 2017   #29
Barman58

Windows 10 Pro x64 x3, Ubuntu
 
 

The MAX ram availability for Windows 7 was the same as that for Vista so was always there in the public domain

At the time it entered the market, and the normal uses for a home computer, the cost of ram meant that it was unlikely that a home user would ever add more that 8 GB of ram - I would class myself as a power user but can remember for a long time running win7 Home premium on 2GB of ram without issues, I moved to Ultimate/Pro for other reasons over the years so when I moved to a PC with a Huge 8GB of ram there was no problem as the OS could handle what was needed.

The facts were also that most windows 7 era systems were only capable of hosting 8-16GB of ram and if you needed more you went to a Server or Pro Workstation motherboard, which I did regularly for client system

I now run 32GB of ram but I do not use Windows7, (have not for a long time apart for in a Testing in a VM for troubleshooting clients old systems)

Windows 7 RAM Requirements - How Much Memory Do I Need? is a blog from 2011 that gives an idea of the thoughts of users when Windows 7 was young

Oh By the way ...

Clean Install with a Upgrade Windows 7 Version - Windows 7 Help Forums
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02 Dec 2017   #30
larryccf

windows 7 ultimate 64bit
 
 

Barman58 - i remember those days; my first computer was an i386 laptop that i bought in 1990/91. Hell, iirc, the "HDD" in it, was only 512MB, i forget how much ram. And even in 2005 or 2006, a 500GB HDD was huge, i don't believer there were any systems offering 1TB HDDs.

But we still don't come to find out there was a 500GB limitation on HDD capacity written into the software. The limitation on Ram is an artificial one - written purely out of greed. I don't mind paying for value rendered, but when the limitation on Ram took more effort to create that product, than it would have to have left the software without it, i tend to feel someone has their hand in my back pocket.

Respectfully, i think we're going to have to agree to disagree
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