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Windows 7: Show us your hard drive performance

12 Jul 2009   #221
ciphernemo

Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit RTM
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
What block size are you guys using when you test your drives. My tests have all been with 64k blocks...which is the default I believe.
I run 64KB Strip Size for my RAID 0 array of two drives, but by block size, I assume you're talking about when you partition a drive with NTFS? If so, just leave it default. The block size won't affect performance too much unless you go with extreme values here. Typically, 128KB to 64KB block/strip size is fine and default.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
I took the HD out of the Intel SATA controllers and plugged into the JMicron Gigabyte SATA controllers and tested and got same results. I then loaded the Gigabyte SATA 2 driver for Vista 64 for that controller and tested and still got 25ms-30ms access times on this drive with HDTune.

I'll put Vista on the computer tomorrow and load up the tools and see what happens. The real question is "if" performance is better under Vista....would I stick with Vista...or go with slower access times and use Windows 7 instead. My gut tells me Win7...as I have never been particularly fond of Vista.

Oh well, no more time to play tonight. This has got to wait.
That's interesting that you noticed normal access/seek times on another PC. It's telling that the drivers aren't quite right on your Windows 7 install.

I'd still try to push those Vista 64-bit drivers through if possible. Run the setup for it as Administrator, use the driver update option in Device Manger, of force the drivers by right clicking on the inf files that are part of the installer and choosing "install". It's Gigabyte's fault that they haven't updated their drivers for Windows 7. They shouldn't complain since Windows 7 is supposed to show itself as kernel 6.1 (to be compatible with software looking for a Vista kernel). But perhaps the Gigabyte driver installer is verifying the O/S incorrectly by a hard-coded, sloppy detection method?


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12 Jul 2009   #222
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

I actually was having some trouble sleeping, so I am in the process of installing Vista right now on the box and will benchmark soon. I've got a system image of the Windows 7 install...so I can get back to that pretty quickly.
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12 Jul 2009   #223
ciphernemo

Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit RTM
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
I actually was having some trouble sleeping, so I am in the process of installing Vista right now on the box and will benchmark soon. I've got a system image of the Windows 7 install...so I can get back to that pretty quickly.
Good luck on it! I hope you're able to narrow down this problem. If it's reasonable access times in Vista, then it's an issues with the Windows 7 drivers you're running. If it's still too high in Vista, then it's an issue with your motherboard.
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12 Jul 2009   #224
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ciphernemo View Post
Good luck on it! I hope you're able to narrow down this problem. If it's reasonable access times in Vista, then it's an issues with the Windows 7 drivers you're running. If it's still too high in Vista, then it's an issue with your motherboard.
Yes, that was pretty much exactly what I told my wife. 1 thing that I have noticed right off the bat, when I installed the Intel Chipset utility under Vista...it loaded close to a dozen different things. However, under Windows 7 it only loaded about 2 things. And one of those items it installed was the Southbridge drivers for the Intel controller. I'll be posting back here shortly.
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12 Jul 2009   #225
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Well, I'm afraid to report that moving to Vista did NOT rectify the problem that I was having with high access times. The Intel chipset drivers did install, but when I tried the install the SATA RAID drivers I got the same result that my computer did not meet the requirements....so I am starting to wonder if you have to be running in RAID/AHCI mode to actually use that driver.

Edit: Upon closer inspection of the readme...you do have to be in RAID or AHCI mode...which I am presently not using. Guess I could test under that.

I guess I will go dig around a bit in my BIOS and see if I come across anything...but I've spent a fair amount of time there...so I don't anticipate seeing much.

Guess it's time to get in touch with Gigabyte and see if they have any suggestions. I went to their website and filled out a support request. Time will tell.
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13 Jul 2009   #226
ciphernemo

Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit RTM
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
Edit: Upon closer inspection of the readme...you do have to be in RAID or AHCI mode...which I am presently not using. Guess I could test under that.

I guess I will go dig around a bit in my BIOS and see if I come across anything...but I've spent a fair amount of time there...so I don't anticipate seeing much.
I think you've identified the problem.

If you're getting these high access times in IDE/Compatibility mode, chances are your Windows driver for the SATA controller chip is running in PIO mode or a low-level DMA mode instead of SATA bus speeds.

If you change your drive to AHCI mode, you'll be better off. But this might require a new install of Windows. Sometimes switching forth from IDE to AHCI mode (or vice versa) will cause an install of Windows to complain and fail to load/bluescreen, even though the data is still fine.

Try to change this in the BIOS to AHCI then do a clean install of Windows 7 and benchmark the drive's speed before installing any other chipset drivers.
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13 Jul 2009   #227
Phenom

 

My results.

1.Vista 32 bit
2.W7RC 64 bit
3.XP 32 bit

I think i need to install W7 on the Vista drive
Although the W7 drive is mu newest.

Any recommendation on SATA2 Drives that would perform even better ?


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13 Jul 2009   #228
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

ciphernemo,

I have tried the AHCI mode....both with the Intel controller as well as the Gigabyte controller. I did reinstall Windows both times and my results are the same.

When running non-AHCI, I was seeing in HDTune that my drive supported UDMA Mode 6, but was running in UDMA mode 5. From what I have read, there isn't much difference between 5 and 6 and as long as you were running 1 of the other you would be fine.

Today, I'm benchmarking a Dell workstation at my office with Win7 64-bit installed. Once I get the HDTune numbers, I'm going to take out the drive and take it home with me. I'll place that into my box and load Win7 to the drive. I'll then benchmark this drive and see what happens. This will help narrow this down to the hard drive or to the controller on the mobo itself.

I suspect at this point that either my hard drive has a small issue or my mobo itself does. The 7200.12 Seagate drive has been made to be very quiet and thus this results in slower seek times (A few articles on the web have covered this)...but usually I'm reading that it's in the ballpark of 15-20ms. Not the 25-40ms that I have been seeing.

If it's the drive itself, I'll just buy an WD Caviar Black or something and relegate this drive to an external enclosure and make it a USB drive...or use it as my hard drive for my "hackintosh" experiment.
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13 Jul 2009   #229
nate42nd

Windows 7 Professional x64
 
 

Here's my Patriot 128GB Torqx drive with the new v1571 firmware on it. I can't wait for RAID 0 in a couple of months.
Show us your hard drive performance-pat1571.png
And with the firmware that came on it. Pretty close...this one has no OS installed.
Show us your hard drive performance-hdpat128.png
And here's what I had last (and am still using sometimes)
Show us your hard drive performance-hdwd500.png


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13 Jul 2009   #230
Muad Dib

XP Pro & Vista Home Premium (x86); Windows Ultimate 7600 x64 Retail
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Phenom View Post
My results.

1.Vista 32 bit
2.W7RC 64 bit
3.XP 32 bit

I think i need to install W7 on the Vista drive
Although the W7 drive is mu newest.

Any recommendation on SATA2 Drives that would perform even better ?
I would like to know HOW you go those results on W7 64 Bit WDC 500GB AAKS...

Here are mine:

Show us your hard drive performance-hdtune_benchmark_wdc_wd5000aaks-65yga.png


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