Toshiba Satellite Ram Upgrade

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  1. Posts : 49
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    Toshiba Satellite Ram Upgrade


    hi everyone, havent been here for a while, TF is my main goto now but i have a query for my WINDOWS 7 machine.

    Toshiba Satellite P750-113 (PSAY3A-02T001)

    Specifications

    Notebook: Toshiba Satellite P750-113
    Processor: Intel Core i5 2410M
    Graphics Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce GT 540M

    i did it once before but have forgotten how to now,

    how do i assess how much RAM my CPU can handle, i have found differing figures. the manual and Memory RAM & SSD Upgrades for Satellite P750-113 state 8GB maximum but have found a site that declares it is good for 16GB RAM Upgrades | Satellite P750 P-Series - max up to 16GB

    i would like to go as big as i can obviously but dont want to get stuck with a RAM i cant use.

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    cheers
    Rob
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  2. Posts : 15,360
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    You could see what crucial suggest as the max ram . No results at crucial for p750- 113 Search Results

    they show results for p750-11(some letter) which says 8gb max Dynabook-Toshiba Satellite P750-11G | Memory RAM & SSD Upgrades | Crucial UK

    and p750-13(some letter) also says 8gb max Dynabook-Toshiba Satellite P750-13L | Memory RAM & SSD Upgrades | Crucial.com

    and here it says expandable to 8gb

    Toshiba Online Detailed Specs for Satellite P750 (PSAY3A-02T001) (AU/NZ; English)

    Cex has that kind of ddr3 laptop ram very cheaply nowadays . https://uk.webuy.com/search?stext=la...0memory%20ddr3
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  3. Posts : 49
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       #3

    yeah go figure, i've found just as many RAM sites that say 8GB and others that say 16GB, i found this interesting though from compuram

    Toshiba Satellite Ram Upgrade-compuram.png

    so who knows, i'll just get 2X8GB modules and see what happens.
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  4. Posts : 15,360
    7 X64
       #4

    That is the way to find out.
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  5. Posts : 6,147
    Windows 7 Ultimate x64
       #5

    The manual from Toshiba is an absolute joke where they don't even specify this basic information. Most every other manual I've seen for Dell or motherboards state this. To make matters worse, Toshiba manufactures a "series" of laptops from the P750 line. One great website is to go to Crucial and do a system check. Here, the P50-133 line is an 8GB limit.
    Dynabook-Toshiba Satellite P750-133 | Memory RAM & SSD Upgrades | Crucial.com

    I'll do some more research here, but give Crucial's website a try and see what it says. Then you can buy from whatever vendor you chose or from Crucial themselves if they are located in or near Oz.

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    SIW2 said:
    You could see what crucial suggest as the max ram . No results at crucial for p750- 113 Search Results

    they show results for p750-11(some letter) which says 8gb max Dynabook-Toshiba Satellite P750-11G | Memory RAM & SSD Upgrades | Crucial UK

    and p750-13(some letter) also says 8gb max Dynabook-Toshiba Satellite P750-13L | Memory RAM & SSD Upgrades | Crucial.com

    and here it says expandable to 8gb

    Toshiba Online Detailed Specs for Satellite P750 (PSAY3A-02T001) (AU/NZ; English)

    Cex has that kind of ddr3 laptop ram very cheaply nowadays . https://uk.webuy.com/search?stext=la...0memory%20ddr3
    So here we have two make that three, my finding as well for the P750 line of notebooks who are 8GB max. I'm willing to bet the 113 version is also 8GB max.

    This is probably gonna be motherboard and CPU specific. So I'll research based on that. If end users could see actual specs. for their product line that'd be great.

    I bet those companies are trying to oversell RAM...
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  6. Posts : 6,887
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       #6

    Hi

    I hav'nt read it but did you actually view the blog from Compumax.
    The trouble with OEM builds is that they Regulate the max ram via the Bios, by both max capacity overall and slot.
    Even if the MB manufacturer states it can handle more
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  7. Posts : 49
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    Thread Starter
       #7

    awesome thanks for the help everyone, yeah its a bit of a quandary,

    if its an 8GB max bugger it i'll throw my spare DDR3L RAM i pulled out of my other computer in and see if it's compatible, its a 4GB module so if it works it works and if it doesnt well i'll cross that bridge later

    this is the spare 4GB RAM i have, different specs but what the hey at least the RAM is easy to get to on this one.

    Toshiba Satellite Ram Upgrade-dscn8032.jpg
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  8. Posts : 6,147
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    rooscoota said:
    yeah go figure, i've found just as many RAM sites that say 8GB and others that say 16GB, i found this interesting though from compuram


    Toshiba Satellite Ram Upgrade-compuram.png

    so who knows, i'll just get 2X8GB modules and see what happens.

    See that link there to their blog post? Maximise the maximum?

    Let me go over what I think may be hyperbole.


    From their three points on, "Why there’s room for more…"

    The density of the DRAM components, i.e. the number of bits that can be stored in a given space has dramatically increased. Today, memory offers capacities that would have been unthinkable or unaffordable, even a relatively short time ago. Unfortunately manufacturer’s specifications rarely take future, high density memory components into consideration.

    So? This doesn't mean a motherboard and CPU combination were engineered to accept more latter on in the future. It's like saying a 4TB hard drive can be used in XP with an MBR partition layout.


    Current BIOS versions are updated to take changes in the individual system components into consideration, in order for BIOS to fulfil its duties as the system’s control centre. The most current DRAM generations are supported, allowing them to be integrated into older systems.

    This is a half-truth in that while a BIOS or UEFI update can expand certain features, update bugs, etc it doesn't mean a BIOS is going to be a miraculous "cure all" in being able to use 16GB of RAM over the engineered designed limitations of 8GB of RAM for the CPU and chipset combination. It's like saying I can max out my motherboard's RAM slots on my desktop from 32GB of RAM to 128GB of RAM. This isn't gonna happen because as you can see, my CPU can only address up to 64GB of RAM. The only way I can get up to 128GB of RAM is by using a different CPU from the Intel Coffee Lake line of CPUs and with a different chipset which is a motherboard soldered on component . So new motherboard and new CPU. You can see here Coffee Lake supports up to 128 GB of RAM.



    Artificial limitations can also be unknowingly set by the manufacturer, through introducing errors or by putting too great a focus on other technical details. Limitations can also be deliberate, created by the manufacturer as a marketing strategy, to differentiate various models in the marketplace or, perhaps, because the larger memory modules were not available in large quantities. It is also possible that the pre-installed operating system is unable to address the maximum amount of installable memory. In such cases the system manufacturer may reduce the maximum installable memory, rather than replace the operating system with one, which can cope with a larger memory.
    Another half-truth. The first part would pretty much denote that crap computer manufacturers that probably sell computers in the market for A) the elderly who don't know any batter and B) People that just don't know any better or don't have a lot of scratch to spend on a new computer so go with Acer or some crap. LOL

    Toshiba Satellite Ram Upgrade-wegfwreergf.jpg


    The second part there is also a half-truth. Yes, the older operating systems like XP up to 7 or 8 I believe were 32 or 64 bit addressable depending on what OS came with the PC or what you installed. Meaning a 32 bit OS can only utilize 3.5GB (not 4GB. Less VRAM) of RAM. And a 64 bit capable OS can address more than 4GB of RAM. Today's OS being of 10 and 11 are perma 64 bit capable and will remain so going forward. Well, Microsoft is withdrawing 32 bit capability in 10. Windows 11 is 64 bit only.




    Something else. Be very leary of so-called "reviews" and review websites. Example:


    Toshiba Satellite Ram Upgrade-wergeer.jpg


    What's the common denominator and what does the company want you to take away?

    Now guess what? You CAN max out your RAM all you want. But whether the PC and OS see it is another matter. If it can't it'll just ignore it. So if your laptop is 8GB max capable and you use 16GB, you'll just see 8GB.



    Lets check this review out.

    Toshiba Satellite Ram Upgrade-gfyjyytt.jpg


    Either this is a lie, or the user never read the manual correctly because its here in black and white 16GB is the maximum.
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  9. Posts : 49
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    Thread Starter
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    wow thanks F22 Simpilot, that was probably a bit over my head but i thank you immensely for your hard work in trying to explain it to me, i must have been posting as you were about my spare Ram but if i understand what you're saying i think i'll give the 2X8GB modules a go and go the whole hog for 16GB.
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  10. Posts : 6,147
    Windows 7 Ultimate x64
       #10

    I still need to do research on your motherboard and what it's capable of.

    Something else you and everyone reading this should know. There are actually only three or four (I think it's four) memory chip manufactures. Off the top of my head they are: Samsung, Hynix, and Crucial.

    What does this mean? Brand really doesn't matter unless you want Crucial or Hynix or Samsung (and that may be hard to determine with a product sticker over the top of the RAM and whatnot. This Info. is on the chip). For used computers I buy used RAM on eBay. BUT! You need to run Memtest86 (not the + version) and make sure there is not one single error with the RAM you bought. Do that test with your currently installed RAM and the newly bought RAM. Because if the RAM shows errors it may not be the RAM, but a motherboard issue. But there's a good chance it's the RAM. LOL

    Note that sometimes reseating RAM can cure a computer that won't boot properly.
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