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Windows 7: Seagate or Western digital External HDD?

17 Jan 2010   #21
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

I prefer to have the faster bus already included on the board. But the one concern is the new plugs are no longer two wires but six wires with the plug being heavier there. Will the port size be effected?

Supposedly you will still be able to use 2.0 devices but at the reduced 2.0 speed. Following the CES one blog was quoted everywhere you looked on one comparison of a Seagate USB 3.0 drive to the 2.0 equivalent whcih supposedly was stacked up against eSata as well. Here's something about the new SuperSpeed USB as it is labeled.

Quote:


SuperSpeed USB brings significant performance enhancements to the ubiquitous USB standard, while remaining compatible with the billions of USB enabled devices currently deployed in the market. SuperSpeed USB will deliver 10x the data transfer rate of Hi-Speed USB, as well as improved power efficiency.
  • SuperSpeed USB has a 5 Gbps signaling rate offering 10x performance increase over Hi-Speed USB.
  • SuperSpeed USB is a Sync-N-Go technology that minimizes user wait-time.
  • SuperSpeed USB will provide Optimized Power Efficiency.No device polling and lower active and idle power requirements.
  • SuperSpeed USB is backwards compatible with USB 2.0. Devices interoperate with USB 2.0 platforms. Hosts support USB 2.0 legacy devices.
USB.org - SuperSpeed USB

Another one that stacks things up a bit is seen at http://news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-10141810-76.html


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17 Jan 2010   #22
noobvious

Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit SP1 (desktop)
 
 

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.....But from what you're saying, sounds like it could be troublesome....I guess I have some research to do.
I've been wondering if a new PCI > eSATA card .. Instead of using the onboard SATA ...
would give me SATA Hot Swap capabilities ...
But have other things to Play with (Buy) right now.

I can imagine that if i had one really Huge file to transfer to an external .. eSATA would be faster ..
But when moving many Small files .. It seems that all the delay is while Windows organizes it's thoughts ... Before it even starts to copy.

I'm not Broken ... Not sure I want to attempt a fix.
I'd probably spend more time fixing the fix .. than I waste using USB.
Well, if I was buying a proper external drive, it may well manage heat better than the one I am using now....that's what worries me when I do a full backup, how hot the darn thing gets. I wouldn't worry so much about how long backups take if my external wasn't getting that hot. So maybe basic USB 2.0 would serve my needs then.
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17 Jan 2010   #23
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

No surprize at hearing that one! When you first started seeing usb externals out people complained up and down about the heat in the confined enclosures for the 3.5" models!

The ideal setup is simply taking a well cooled external enclosure you buy separately and insert a large capacity drive in that. That will make things a bit bulky however for those who want portability.
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18 Jan 2010   #24
noobvious

Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit SP1 (desktop)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
No surprize at hearing that one! When you first started seeing usb externals out people complained up and down about the heat in the confined enclosures for the 3.5" models!

The ideal setup is simply taking a well cooled external enclosure you buy separately and insert a large capacity drive in that. That will make things a bit bulky however for those who want portability.
Well, curiosity bit, so I just opened up the case. There really is no room for airflow, much less a fan. The drive inside is a refurb'd 500GB Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM. So to compensate, as you can see, I found a little fan to blow on the couple vents on the back when I power the drive up. I figure it is better than nothing, given that there was a faint burnt smell from the HDD when I pulled it out(nothing visible though).

I'm not sure I know enough to buy a drive and the casing, power supply, etc., and build it properly. Ideally, another 640GB Caviar Black(or a 750GB) like my internal would be a sweet external option....I don't need to carry it around, I just want a backup of my internal in case something happens.

But since the computer expert in the family is a couple states away, I'll probably have to buy one. Hopefully the no-assembly-required drives are properly cooled.


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18 Jan 2010   #25
hdmi

8.1 x64
 
 

Western Digital. I have 5 of them (210meg IDE, 412meg IDE, 80gig Ultra100, 320gig 2.5" SATA2, 1tera Elements USB2), all still working fine even though the oldest one is 18 years now.
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18 Jan 2010   #26
noyb

XP MCE .... XP Pro 64 .... W7 U x64
 
 

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I'm not sure I know enough to buy a drive and the casing, power supply, etc., and build it properly. Ideally, another 640GB Caviar Black(or a 750GB) like my internal would be a sweet external option....
I'm using a couple of 1TB WD Greens in an enclosure that has limited cooling ..
They seem to run reasonably cool for long periods.

I've been looking at one of These Enclosures for the next Build .. It looks like it has good cooling ...Then I'd probably use a WD Black in it.

But .. It might be better to wait for a USB <> eSATA 3 .. I wonder when they'll be available.
I'm also wondering if a 7200RPM drive can keep up with it ??
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18 Jan 2010   #27
Muad Dib

XP Pro & Vista Home Premium (x86); Windows Ultimate 7600 x64 Retail
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by noob View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
No surprize at hearing that one! When you first started seeing usb externals out people complained up and down about the heat in the confined enclosures for the 3.5" models!

The ideal setup is simply taking a well cooled external enclosure you buy separately and insert a large capacity drive in that. That will make things a bit bulky however for those who want portability.
Well, curiosity bit, so I just opened up the case. There really is no room for airflow, much less a fan. The drive inside is a refurb'd 500GB Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM. So to compensate, as you can see, I found a little fan to blow on the couple vents on the back when I power the drive up. I figure it is better than nothing, given that there was a faint burnt smell from the HDD when I pulled it out(nothing visible though).

I'm not sure I know enough to buy a drive and the casing, power supply, etc., and build it properly. Ideally, another 640GB Caviar Black(or a 750GB) like my internal would be a sweet external option....I don't need to carry it around, I just want a backup of my internal in case something happens.

But since the computer expert in the family is a couple states away, I'll probably have to buy one. Hopefully the no-assembly-required drives are properly cooled.
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by noyb View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by noob View Post
I'm not sure I know enough to buy a drive and the casing, power supply, etc., and build it properly. Ideally, another 640GB Caviar Black(or a 750GB) like my internal would be a sweet external option....
I'm using a couple of 1TB WD Greens in an enclosure that has limited cooling ..
They seem to run reasonably cool for long periods.

I've been looking at one of These Enclosures for the next Build .. It looks like it has good cooling ...Then I'd probably use a WD Black in it.

But .. It might be better to wait for a USB <> eSATA 3 .. I wonder when they'll be available.
I'm also wondering if a 7200RPM drive can keep up with it ??
You can get that SILVER Rosewill USB/eSATA enclosure right now for $30 shipped. Go to Newegg, put it in your cart and apply promo code EMCLMMN62.

I am thinkng about it but I need to figure out if I can squeeze a PCIe-x1 to eSATA card in next to my HD4830 video card... it is tight. Also I want the black enclosure which the promo code does not work for....
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18 Jan 2010   #28
noyb

XP MCE .... XP Pro 64 .... W7 U x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Muad Dib View Post
You can get that SILVER Rosewill USB/eSATA enclosure right now for $30 shipped. Go to Newegg, put it in your cart and apply promo code EMCLMMN62
Good info .. Thanks
The only reason I haven't got one already ....
It makes absolutely no sense to me to hide the power switch on the back panel.
I'm still looking for a better one with a power switch on the front.

Have you seen These ... (also available at Menards) ..
They could turn your externals On or Off with the computer.
I love mine .. But they only control my several LED desk lamps right now.

My Wife's computer shuts down her Whole Sewing room

If I used an eSATA external connection ..
And the external powered Up or Down with my Computer (automatically) ..
then this would work around the eSATA "Hot Swap" Problem.
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18 Jan 2010   #29
Muad Dib

XP Pro & Vista Home Premium (x86); Windows Ultimate 7600 x64 Retail
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by noyb View Post
Good info .. Thanks
The only reason I haven't got one already ....
It makes absolutely no sense to me to hide the power switch on the back panel.
I'm still looking for a better one with a power switch on the front.

Have you seen These ... (also available at Menards) ..
They could turn your externals On or Off with the computer.
I love mine .. But they only control my several LED desk lamps right now.

My Wife's computer shuts down her Whole Sewing room

If I used an eSATA external connection ..
And the external powered Up or Down with my Computer (automatically) ..
then this would work around the eSATA "Hot Swap" Problem.
Thanks, I have not seen those before. I did set up one office with the Belkin wireless surge protector which allows them to cut everything on/off with a single switch (they still must press the power button on the tower to start the computer though).

I have yet to experience the joy of the eSATA "Hot Swap" problem. Seems there are several variations on it. I am not sure it would be that critical to me personally since I don't intend to leave it connected anyway. I just want the speed when i do a periodic backups.
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18 Jan 2010   #30
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by noob View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
No surprize at hearing that one! When you first started seeing usb externals out people complained up and down about the heat in the confined enclosures for the 3.5" models!

The ideal setup is simply taking a well cooled external enclosure you buy separately and insert a large capacity drive in that. That will make things a bit bulky however for those who want portability.
Well, curiosity bit, so I just opened up the case. There really is no room for airflow, much less a fan. The drive inside is a refurb'd 500GB Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM. So to compensate, as you can see, I found a little fan to blow on the couple vents on the back when I power the drive up. I figure it is better than nothing, given that there was a faint burnt smell from the HDD when I pulled it out(nothing visible though).

I'm not sure I know enough to buy a drive and the casing, power supply, etc., and build it properly. Ideally, another 640GB Caviar Black(or a 750GB) like my internal would be a sweet external option....I don't need to carry it around, I just want a backup of my internal in case something happens.

But since the computer expert in the family is a couple states away, I'll probably have to buy one. Hopefully the no-assembly-required drives are properly cooled.
Newegg has a tom of premade enclosures to look over there. Note the best run about $40 and up for those with real cooling! Newegg.com - External Enclosure, External Hard Drive Enclosure, USB External Enclosure, Multimedia External Enclosure

For a look there I would be serious about the Thermaltake BlacX model since that supports two 2tb HDs where others only upto 1tb for each drive plus the better cooling to start. Newegg.com - Thermaltake BlacX N0028USU External Hard Drive SATA Enclosure Docking Station 2.5&#34; &#38; 3.5&#34; USB 2.0 - External Enclosures
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