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Windows 7: Hard Drive Dissapears after installing 2nd SATA Drive

31 Mar 2010   #11
68iou1

vista 32bit
 
 

I enabled the SATA Speed Spectrum. Didnt do anything. with both drives in there i cant even boot from a windows 7 to fix the mbr and boot???

-edit. I took out the 1.5 and booted up fine. It even went into the windows setup fine as well. So whats with the system disk error i got before? It doesnt seem like it the mbr or boot?


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31 Mar 2010   #12
MadMaxData

Windows 7 Enterprise x64
 
 

If all you have on the 1.5TB drive is a backup image, I would wipe that disk clean, and worry about getting both of them working together first. Then do an image backup after they are playing nice together.

Make sure you have the 320GB drive chosen as your master OS when you go to...Start> Computer> Properties> Remote Settings> Advanced Tab> Startup & Recovery Settings.
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31 Mar 2010   #13
CommonTater

XP Pro SP3 X86 / Win7 Pro X86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by 68iou1 View Post
Any Ideas anyone? Still cant get it to work.
Ok... Are you 100% certain that drive is brand new?

It's acting like it's got a boot sector already on it, which would indicate that it's been at least tried before. The extra boot sector is probably confusing windows on which drive to boot to... hense, the startup failure.

The solution is to capitalize on the SATA hot swap feature...

Plug in the new drive's power cable only... do not connect the data cable.
Start your system from the other drive
Go into device manager
Now connect the new drive's data cable
Tell device manager to scan for hardware changes
Once it finds the new drive switch over to disk management
In disk management, delete any existing partitions and format the drive.

Next, reboot,
in your BIOS make sure both drives are being detected.
Also make sure that your primary boot drive is the first drive on the list.
If it isn't, swap the data cables and come back to this step.

Also in the BIOS be sure to set your boot order to test the main drive first, not your new one. If you can exclude the second drive from the list you should do so.

Since you are on Win7 you should also check that AHCI is enabled in the BIOS. If it's in "Compatibility" mode some older SATA controllers will only alow one SATA HD on your system.

If all went well, you should now be able to start up your machine normally and begin setting up the new drive.
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31 Mar 2010   #14
MadMaxData

Windows 7 Enterprise x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by CommonTater View Post
It's acting like it's got a boot sector already on it, which would indicate that it's been at least tried before. The extra boot sector is probably confusing windows on which drive to boot to... hense, the startup failure.
That's why I said wipe the 1.5TB drive clean. So we're thinking the same thing.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by CommonTater View Post
The solution is to capitalize on the SATA hot swap feature...

Plug in the new drive's power cable only... do not connect the data cable.
Start your system from the other drive
Go into device manager
Now connect the new drive's data cable
Plug the data cable into a SATA HDD with the machine powered up? YIKES! No offense, but you couldn't pay me enough to do that. Well, I suppose you could pay me the price of a new HDD and/or motherboard to do it....LOL

Seriously Bro, you plug cables into hardware when the machine is powered up? I ask you this because it's the second time now you have advised someone to do this. The first one you told someone to start up their rig with the CMOS jumper shorted, and to change it over while powered up. None of these things sound like a healthy thing for hardware. Do you know something I don't, because nobody I know does that?
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31 Mar 2010   #15
CommonTater

XP Pro SP3 X86 / Win7 Pro X86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MadMaxData View Post
Plug the data cable into a SATA HDD with the machine powered up? YIKES! No offense, but you couldn't pay me enough to do that. Well, I suppose you could pay me the price of a new HDD and/or motherboard to do it....LOL

You might want to give these a read...

Serial ATA - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Serial ATA in the Microsoft Operating System Environment
http://www.serialata.org/technology/why_sata.asp

Quote:
Seriously Bro, you plug cables into hardware when the machine is powered up? I ask you this because it's the second time now you have advised someone to do this. The first one you told someone to start up their rig with the CMOS jumper shorted, and to change it over while powered up. None of these things sound like a healthy thing for hardware. Do you know something I don't, because nobody I know does that?
Well, it works like this... On most motherboards the CMOS jumper merely disconnects the battery, it doesn't ground anything. But that is not universally true. On some boards, removing the jumper outright sets the BIOS into read only mode so the user can't make changes... but that's also not universally true. So, you were right on that one. As a precaution I recanted on the advice lest someone should try it on one of the boards where it's not true.

However... a key part of SATA is the ability to hot swap drives. This is an essential feature for servers running raid, NAS boxes and USB drives... You don't want to shut down the main server to change a drive ... that's just not practical in today's online world. Really check it out... it's part of the design, microsoft supports it and even Wikipedia tells about it...
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01 Apr 2010   #16
MadMaxData

Windows 7 Enterprise x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by CommonTater View Post
However... a key part of SATA is the ability to hot swap drives.
I guess you learn something new every day. I would still be a bit leary of unplugging hardware, or plugging in hardware on a powered up motherboard though. I did that once when I was first starting out, many moons ago, and completely destroyed a HDD & motherboard. I'm not saying it can't be done, after having read the info you provided, but something inside me still screams "don't do it." Guess I have to catch up with the new technology.
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01 Apr 2010   #17
CommonTater

XP Pro SP3 X86 / Win7 Pro X86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MadMaxData View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by CommonTater View Post
However... a key part of SATA is the ability to hot swap drives.
I guess you learn something new every day. I would still be a bit leary of unplugging hardware, or plugging in hardware on a powered up motherboard though. I did that once when I was first starting out, many moons ago, and completely destroyed a HDD & motherboard. I'm not saying it can't be done, after having read the info you provided, but something inside me still screams "don't do it." Guess I have to catch up with the new technology.
1) Take a look at the hot swap bays for SATA drives... no electronics, just a bracket.

2) Why do you think I told the OP to connect the drive POWER but not the Data cable? This is to prevent damaging surges from the power supply.
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01 Apr 2010   #18
68iou1

vista 32bit
 
 

Ok guys update.

This is what I have done so far. Ive disconnected the 1.5TB Drive DATA SATA Cable. Left the Power cable in. Turned the pc on and got a invaild system disk or something. So i ran Hirens boot cd, fixed everything with the mbre and boot. Restarted and Drive wasnt there. Turned off PC from the power, started it up again and the drive was there. But it couldnt get into windows. So I thought to my self, ok? No SATA DATA cable in the 1.5TB and still not booting? So I took out the power cable. Booted it up again and got into windows fine? Turned it off, put ONLY the Power cable in, and didnt work. So I changed it over again, put the 1.5 data and sata cable in and only put in the power cable for the 320 so i can try the hot swapable feature. For some odd reason windows booted up (under the 1.5tb as the main). So connected the sata cable to the 320 whilst the pc was on. It found the drive did some things and then crashed. Couldnt move the mouse ctl alt delete wouldnt work. Turned it off. And just took out the 320.

Does that only leave my PSU as the fault in this? There is surely enough power. Only running a GTX275, 4 GIG ram, (took out my IDE CD-ROM as well)

Faulty PSU?
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01 Apr 2010   #19
MadMaxData

Windows 7 Enterprise x64
 
 

1.) Have you tried wiping the 1.5 drive clean, and then initializing the disk in Computer Management?

2.) Have you tried using different data cables on your SATA drives? It could be a bad cable from the sound of it.

It's definately not your PSU.
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01 Apr 2010   #20
68iou1

vista 32bit
 
 

For Question 1. it wouldnt make a difference since not sata data cable was connected to it (only power cable was)

For 2) I'll use my old ABIT-IC7 MAX3 sata cables that I got with the board.

I'll get back to you in 5 mins
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