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Windows 7: Intel i5 650 vs AMD Phenom II 1055T

11 Jul 2010   #11
Fumz

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bobkn View Post
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My only point was that the 1055 is a really bad cpu. It can't keep up with the i5, and just how much of a dud the 1055 is is really on display when it's compared side by side with another 6 core cpu.

AMD is "back" to competing on price because that's all that's left for them. It's been demonstrated over and over again that they have not yet recovered from the beat-down from Conroe. I agree, it's almost too painful to watch, and I wish AMD would get off their butts and start cranking out good chips again instead of these bargain pieces of crap. When they do good work, everyone benefits; when they don't, nobody does.
A little overstated, perhaps? I can't get that emotional about microprocessors.

I'm not personally familiar with the 1055t or 1090t, but a quick look at some reviews suggest that their performance is similar to what Intel offers at similar prices. At worst, they sound like mediocre products, unexciting for 6 core CPUs, but not what I'd call "bad".

AMD offers nothing that would inspire me to get rid of my I7 920. Intel does, but unless I get a financial windfall, I doubt that I'd care to pay for an I7 980X. The I7 875k is more reasonable, but it's socket 1156.
Overstated and emotional, eh?

AMD put out a 6 core cpu that often isn't as good as its own quad-core cpus. I don't know of any other way to describe that cpu and the situation other than "bad". Moreover, in one of the benchmarks the Intel 6 core cpu is getting double the fps of the AMD. I am not "overstating" anything. It's bad.

Yes, the price is similar to the i5-705; performance however, is not.


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11 Jul 2010   #12
pparks1

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People hear 6 cores and their heart skips a beat assuming that it will be loads better. Unfortunately, as we have seen...the performance doesn't back up the assumption.
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11 Jul 2010   #13
Fumz

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Exactly. It's all hype, nothing more. Everyone keeps referring to the price, which is inexpensive, but don't consider whether or not it's a good value. Clearly, the answer to that question, the more important question, is no.
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11 Jul 2010   #14
A Guy

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by chubalz View Post
@ A Guy,

Ive look at your Desktop specs and noticed that your Intel i5 is 3.37 Ghz. Sory im not very good at looking it but when looking at intel site i5 750 is only 2.66 ghz?
As bobkn said, my CPU is overclocked, the stock is 2.66GHz. The stock CPU BCLK is 133MHz, mine is set at 166MHz. Don't worry about that part, just know that stock it's a great CPU

A Guy
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11 Jul 2010   #15
bobkn

Windows 7 Pro X64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Fumz View Post
Overstated and emotional, eh?

AMD put out a 6 core cpu that often isn't as good as its own quad-core cpus. I don't know of any other way to describe that cpu and the situation other than "bad". Moreover, in one of the benchmarks the Intel 6 core cpu is getting double the fps of the AMD. I am not "overstating" anything. It's bad.

Yes, the price is similar to the i5-705; performance however, is not.
It wasn't intended as a personal attack. Sorry if it was offensive.

However, "bad" still seems over the top. For example:

AMD's Six-Core Phenom II X6 1090T & 1055T Reviewed - AnandTech :: Your Source for Hardware Analysis and News

or:

Phenom II X6 1055T and 1090T review

(There must be dozens of reviews out there.) These suggest that the 1055T is in the same class as the I5 750; sometimes better, sometimes worse. (Slightly pathetic, as the I5 750 has 4 cores, and no hyperthreading.) Does anyone disagree?

Let me repeat that I'm not advocating for AMD. I haven't bought an AMD CPU since the Socket 939 days. Maybe at some subconcious level I want people to buy AMD: if they go under, Intel will have no significant competition on the desktop, and I doubt that will be good for either pricing or innovation.

I'm not offended by AMD producing a 6 core CPU that performs like a 4 core Intel chip at the same price. I am disappointed, though.

My last word.
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11 Jul 2010   #16
Fumz

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bobkn View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Fumz View Post
Overstated and emotional, eh?

AMD put out a 6 core cpu that often isn't as good as its own quad-core cpus. I don't know of any other way to describe that cpu and the situation other than "bad". Moreover, in one of the benchmarks the Intel 6 core cpu is getting double the fps of the AMD. I am not "overstating" anything. It's bad.

Yes, the price is similar to the i5-705; performance however, is not.
It wasn't intended as a personal attack. Sorry if it was offensive.

However, "bad" still seems over the top. For example:

AMD's Six-Core Phenom II X6 1090T & 1055T Reviewed - AnandTech :: Your Source for Hardware Analysis and News

or:

Phenom II X6 1055T and 1090T review

(There must be dozens of reviews out there.) These suggest that the 1055T is in the same class as the I5 750; sometimes better, sometimes worse. (Slightly pathetic, as the I5 950 has 4 cores, and no hyperthreading.) Does anyone disagree?

Let me repeat that I'm not advocating for AMD. I haven't bought an AMD CPU since the Socket 939 days. Maybe at some subconcious level I want people to buy AMD: if they go under, Intel will have no significant competition on the desktop, and I doubt that will be good for either pricing or innovation.

I'm not offended by AMD producing a 6 core CPU that performs like a 4 core Intel chip at the same price. I am disappointed, though.

My last word.
If you don't like my choice of word (bad), I'm ok substituting in yours. The 1055 is pathetic. That works for me.

All is good.
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11 Jul 2010   #17
A Guy

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Guys, you're scaring the OP, lol.

A Guy
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12 Jul 2010   #18
chubalz

Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Bit SP1
 
 

Tnx again for the info and making giving me more knowledge about it.

@ A Guy,

Its ok for me. Actually i like it when they doing a debate.. It gives me more knowledge.


On reading the post on my thread.. Its a majority intel i5 750.

Actually im planning to buy new desktop after 2 months.

Tnx for the info.



Btw! do i need to buy videocard for i5 750? It says i5 is built in videocard.

Mostly on my location latest videocard here is only gforce 9 series ddr3 512mb.

Gforce 9series ddr3 512mb Versus intel i5 video? which is good?


Is intel i5 750 has 4 cores. Right?
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12 Jul 2010   #19
A Guy

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by chubalz View Post
Tnx again for the info and making giving me more knowledge about it.

@ A Guy,

Its ok for me. Actually i like it when they doing a debate.. It gives me more knowledge.


On reading the post on my thread.. Its a majority intel i5 750.

Actually im planning to buy new desktop after 2 months.

Tnx for the info.



Btw! do i need to buy videocard for i5 750? It says i5 is built in videocard.

Mostly on my location latest videocard here is only gforce 9 series ddr3 512mb.

Gforce 9series ddr3 512mb Versus intel i5 video? which is good?


Is intel i5 750 has 4 cores. Right?
The i5-750 has no video, so you do need a video card. And yes, the i5-750 is a quad core.

A Guy
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12 Jul 2010   #20
bobkn

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by A Guy View Post
The i5-750 has no video, so you do need a video card. And yes, the i5-750 is a quad core.

A Guy
The H55 chipset (Socket 1156) supports graphics when matched to some CPUs. The I5-6xx series works with that; the I5-750 does not. I don't think any of the Socket 1156 Core I7 CPUs do either. It looks like you can't get quad cores plus Intel HD graphics using that chipset.

You may find this confusing:

Compare IntelĀ® Products,

(It's a bit much for me.) I don't know about the integrated Intel HD graphics. Onboard graphics have a long history of poor performance in critical applications (gaming). Discrete graphics cards are preferred.

There's a large range in performance in the nVidia 9000 series. a 9800GTX is a pretty good card; I have the impression that a 9500 isn't comparable. Either way, they're a couple of generations back from the high-end cards: GTX2xx, and the current GTX4xx. I don't know what to suggest. Can you get ATI based cards? The HD4850 strikes me as a good deal (in the USA), for example.
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