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Windows 7: CPU advice being sort.

25 Jul 2010   #31
BomberAF

Windows 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
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So what is the point of having RAM on the video card then, and why is the other bloke saying that my system isn't 32bit but a 64 bit system?
The point for dedicated graphics memory is speed. It is a LOT faster than shared RAM.

As far as you mobo goes, I am not 100% certain. The fact sheets are not clear on that. It was designed for the P4 in 2002, but the 64bit P4 came only in 2004 or 2005. So that point would require some further investigation. From what year is your PC?

My PC was bought in Dec 2007, but it was the cheapest PC in PC world, and the only original things left in it are the mobo, and the case, but I do use the old HDD as a back HDD. So I would imagine that the mobo was the cheapest rubbish they could find to build a cheap and the cheapest ESytem.


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25 Jul 2010   #32
Digerati

Windows 7 Profession 64-bit
 
 

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So it is true then that because Windows 7 has loads of drivers pre installed you don't need to do a complete fresh install when you replace the mobo
I never said that. Win7 recognizes a lot of hardware, but certainly no where even close to the literally 10s of thousands of different hardware out there. And note too drivers built into Win7 are drivers from 2009 and before.
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so do you mean by choke that it will either not work full stop, or take a while to get going as the drivers will need to be configure by the OS?
Yes. It might or might not work. You should assume it will not and have all your drivers available.
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25 Jul 2010   #33
BomberAF

Windows 7
 
 

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You will never see all your RAM as available. Some is always used to map the many hardware devices (and the motherboard itself consists of many different devices) so the OS can address them.
What your saying isn't true, I have just took out a 2GB stick of RAM and replaced it with a 1GB stick which gives me 3GB, and if what your saying is true my PC would say that less than 3GB is available but it doesn't look.



And here is one with 4GB installed:

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25 Jul 2010   #34
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

If it is from 2007, chances are it is 64bit capable. You can download the Windows7 upgrade advisor and specify the 64bit Win7. That would tell you.
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25 Jul 2010   #35
BomberAF

Windows 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Digerati View Post
I never said that. Win7 recognizes a lot of hardware, but certainly no where even close to the literally 10s of thousands of different hardware out there. And note too drivers built into Win7 are drivers from 2009 and before.
I know you never said that, but that was what I thought.

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You should assume it will not and have all your drivers available
So basically I should just be prepared for a complete reinstall.
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25 Jul 2010   #36
BomberAF

Windows 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
If it is from 2007, chances are it is 64bit capable. You can download the Windows7 upgrade advisor and specify the 64bit Win7. That would tell you.

Yes, but like I said my PC was the cheapest budget PC you could get your hands on, it also came with a celeron cpu, so I think the mobo's were just some they had laying around gathering dust.

Also look at the screen dumps I have posted above your last post.
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25 Jul 2010   #37
bobkn

Windows 7 Pro X64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by BomberAF View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Digerati View Post
You will never see all your RAM as available. Some is always used to map the many hardware devices (and the motherboard itself consists of many different devices) so the OS can address them.
What your saying isn't true, I have just took out a 2GB stick of RAM and replaced it with a 1GB stick which gives me 3GB, and if what your saying is true my PC would say that less than 3GB is available but it doesn't look.
I don't pretend to understand it, but it's an address space limitation. Apparently 32 bit versions of Windows can address 4GB, but some of the addresses are needed for devices other than system RAM. That sets the amount of RAM that can be addressed to less than 4GB. 3.25GB is a number I've seen in practice, but it varies based on what hardware is present. Once you exceed that amount of RAM, less than the installed amount is available to Windows. less than that, and it's all reported as available.
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25 Jul 2010   #38
BomberAF

Windows 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bobkn View Post
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You will never see all your RAM as available. Some is always used to map the many hardware devices (and the motherboard itself consists of many different devices) so the OS can address them.
What your saying isn't true, I have just took out a 2GB stick of RAM and replaced it with a 1GB stick which gives me 3GB, and if what your saying is true my PC would say that less than 3GB is available but it doesn't look.
I don't pretend to understand it, but it's an address space limitation. Apparently 32 bit versions of Windows can address 4GB, but some of the addresses are needed for devices other than system RAM. That sets the amount of RAM that can be addressed to less than 4GB. 3.25GB is a number I've seen in practice, but it varies based on what hardware is present. Once you exceed that amount of RAM, less than the installed amount is available to Windows. less than that, and it's all reported as available.

My OS is x64 bit version of windows
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25 Jul 2010   #39
bobkn

Windows 7 Pro X64 SP1
 
 

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My OS is x64 bit version of windows
Arrgh. I didn't notice the 64 bit OS.

this is what I see:

I've seen people with your problem before, but I'm unaware of a general solution. BIOS update? (I suppose you're using the latest.)
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25 Jul 2010   #40
BomberAF

Windows 7
 
 

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by BomberAF View Post
My OS is x64 bit version of windows
Arrgh. I didn't notice the 64 bit OS.

this is what I see:

I've seen people with your problem before, but I'm unaware of a general solution. BIOS update? (I suppose you're using the latest.)
Like I said I have been told the reason is because the i945G chipset is only a 32 bit chipset, and as such is only capable of 32 bit computing.
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