Hard Drive - why is 2 TB only 1.8 TB ??

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  1. mjf
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       #21

    What can be confusing.


    Once you know decimal/binary difference for storage device labelling you just accept that's the way it is.

    The confusion is more annoying when a technical reference is made to a device capacity.
    eg. My BIOS can treat USB devices as "floppies" if less than 2GB and "HDD" if greater than 2GB.
    Is it GB binary/technical notation or GB decimal/marketing notation?

    The "Ripp off" complaint isn't an issue. Technical consistency can be annoying.
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  2. Posts : 357
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       #22

    Some of the discrepancy I believe has to do with with NTFS and how it locates or places files within a sector. Techies could either confirm or rebut this

    Also, hard drives come with some amount of built in "firmware" that uses a certain amount of the drive reducing the amount of space available to the user.

    In addition drives that come from the manufacturer may have a a factory installed "Recovery" feature which allows the user to reinstall the system at any time just at it came from the manufacturer. This is especially true on Netbooks and the like which do not come with a built in CD/DVD drive.

    Then sometimes there are programs that come pre-installed from the manufacturer that use hard drive space but whose files are hidden and locked.

    I know that hard drive and defragmenting technology have advanced significantly from when I worked for hard drive manufacturers years ago, but it used to be a rule of thumb that one should not use more than 60% - 70% of the available hard drive space that was available on the hard drive at the time that the computer or hard drive was purchased. The reason for this is because it used to be that if your hard drive was too full i.e. over say 65% of original user available capacity that defragging the hard drive would slow down exponentially as your usage of the available hard drive space exceeded 65% or thereabouts.

    I would think that that may have changed but I still go by this rule of thumb. Actually I don't like to use more than than 50% of original available hard drive space. Hard drives are plenty cheap today so I like to leave lots of room on my hard drives just out of habit

    Finally the way that hard drives used to handle read write routines affected the speed of writing and reading a drive depending on how much of the hard drive was being used. Since hard drives use mechanical parts as opposed to SSD drives the farther that the read write heads have to travel on the drive and the more that they have to travel due to excessive fragmenting the slower your read and write speeds would be on the hard drive.
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  3. whs
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       #23

    It is unbelievable how much discussion there can be about a simple mathematical conversion from decimal to binary. But it is interesting to see which theories are being forwarded - all wrong of course - LOL.

    Reminds me the guy who came first time to Germany, rented a car at the airport and was wondering why he was going so slowly at 100 on the Autobahn. He did not realize that he was going 100kmh and not 100mph.
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  4. Posts : 357
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       #24

    whs said:
    It is unbelievable how much discussion there can be about a simple mathematical conversion from decimal to binary. But it is interesting to see which theories are being forwarded - all wrong of course - LOL.

    Reminds me the guy who came first time to Germany, rented a car at the airport and was wondering why he was going so slowly at 100 on the Autobahn. He did not realize that he was going 100kmh and not 100mph.
    I definitely know that my entire theory was correct years ago with regard to the read/write heads movement, file placement on the hard drive and fragmented files and that parts of my theory if not all if are true today, straight up for a fact

    If you would care to dispute my points one by one be my guess and lets have it.:)
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  5. whs
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       #25

    Buddahfan said:
    whs said:
    It is unbelievable how much discussion there can be about a simple mathematical conversion from decimal to binary. But it is interesting to see which theories are being forwarded - all wrong of course - LOL.

    Reminds me the guy who came first time to Germany, rented a car at the airport and was wondering why he was going so slowly at 100 on the Autobahn. He did not realize that he was going 100kmh and not 100mph.
    I definitely know that my entire theory was correct years ago with regard to the read/write heads movement, file placement on the hard drive and fragmented files and that parts of my theory if not all if are true today, straight up for a fact

    If you would care to dispute my points one by one be my guess and lets have it.:)
    That drive was completely empty.
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  6. Posts : 357
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       #26

    whs said:
    Buddahfan said:
    whs said:
    It is unbelievable how much discussion there can be about a simple mathematical conversion from decimal to binary. But it is interesting to see which theories are being forwarded - all wrong of course - LOL.

    Reminds me the guy who came first time to Germany, rented a car at the airport and was wondering why he was going so slowly at 100 on the Autobahn. He did not realize that he was going 100kmh and not 100mph.
    I definitely know that my entire theory was correct years ago with regard to the read/write heads movement, file placement on the hard drive and fragmented files and that parts of my theory if not all if are true today, straight up for a fact

    If you would care to dispute my points one by one be my guess and lets have it.:)
    That drive was completely empty.
    It is never completely empty even after formatting.

    There should be a some firmware or software on a protected section of the drive that you can not see. That stuff is placed there by the hard drive manufacturer to do what it does to make the drive work. This is besides a protected section of the drive that is used to store the factory system recovery software and settings that may be placed there by the hard drive manufacturer. Even without the latter you will always have the former even if you can't see it. If it wasn't there your hard drive could not work.
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  7. whs
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       #27

    There should be a some firmware or software on a protected section of the drive that you can not see
    20 Gigabytes worth?
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  8. Posts : 357
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       #28

    whs said:
    There should be a some firmware or software on a protected section of the drive that you can not see
    20 Gigabytes worth?
    If you have a hard drive that is a a couple of yottabytes you might 20 Gigabytes worth:)
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  9. Posts : 2,164
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       #29

    p5bdkw said:
    You need a calculator. Whenever I wanted to install a 50 Gb partition, I did the following math.

    50 x 24 = 1200

    50,000 + 1200 = 51,200

    To create a 50 Gb partition, I used 51,208 to format.
    No not 50,000, but 51200 or 51208.

    The magic number being 24.

    Drives sizes are so large these days that, I don't miss anything.
    There's more than enough space for data, movies or music.
    If not, I'll just buy another drive.

    Like it was said earlier, if you think about it too long, you'll go mad.
    It is what it is.
    why don't you just do 50x1024? this way it is just 1 step.

    Also, back in my Amiga days, the the formatted capacity of a drive on the Amiga gave more space than an MS-Dos formatted drive.
    Floppies were 1.44MB on PC and 1.78MB on the Amiga (720K and 880K for DD disks)
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  10. whs
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       #30

    Buddahfan said:
    whs said:
    There should be a some firmware or software on a protected section of the drive that you can not see
    20 Gigabytes worth?
    If you have a hard drive that is a a couple of yottabytes you might 20 Gigabytes worth:)
    Where is such a yottabyte drive on sale?
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