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Windows 7: HP laptop has used up all four primary partitions

21 Sep 2010   #41
gregrocker

 

I am curious what you use in the Cyberlink suite. I find almost everything I used a 3rd party burner for previously has a solid built-in Win7 app.

For example, I thought I would never give up ImgBurn for burning bootable ISO's but finally Windows image burner is flawless even with variable speed.

Otherwise someone may know a stable freeware app for whatever you need in Cyberlink, which might free you up for eventual clean reinstall.


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22 Sep 2010   #42
Marrea

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
I am curious what you use in the Cyberlink suite.
Hi

Well I have to be honest with you here. At the moment I am not actually using anything in the CyberLink Suite. The reason for this is that I have spent all my time so far since buying the laptop sorting out/trying to sort out various things, followed by installing and configuring Ubuntu, and as a consequence I have not had a chance to use any of the CyberLink programs!

However, I want time to have a look round them and see what they do. In particular I think I may well want to try out Power Director.

As regards disc burning, I have always used Nero in Windows and K3b in Linux, both of which I have found very reliable. I'm not saying that the built-in Windows disc image burner won't be just as reliable but I've not tried it yet.

I have a back-up copy on an external hard drive of the complete SwSetup directory so the fact that I failed to complete the WAIK/imagex procedure hopefully won't prevent me reinstalling HP programs should I decide to do a completely fresh reinstallation of Windows 7.
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22 Sep 2010   #43
madtownidiot

 

You might want to consider not installing the HP programs.. most of them are simply redundant UIs of functions that already exist in windows.. others are factory installed spyware. I can give you a list of good, free, apps that perform the same functions with a lighter load on your system depending on what you use your computer for
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22 Sep 2010   #44
Marrea

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by madtownidiot View Post
.. others are factory installed spyware.
Hmmm, that sounds very sneaky. Do you happen to know which programs fall into this category?

I use my computer mainly for the following:
  • Internet and e-mail (obviously - I think everyone uses their computer for these)
  • Word processing and all the other typical "office" tasks such as databases and Powerpoint. No problem here as I have a retail copy of MS Office.
  • Digital imaging. Again no problem here as I have the full Photoshop on my main computer and normally put Elements on my other machines. From my experience with Linux I know all about Gimp but prefer to use Photoshop in Windows, which is where I do most of my detailed photo work.
  • Video editing - but I am a relative newcomer to this.
  • Music ripping and burning.
  • Converting vinyl to digital. Audacity is excellent for this.
I also love "fiddling", ie finding out more about the computer under the hood, which is why I can't resist doing things like re-partitioning and re-installing - when neither of these is strictly needed most of the time!!

So when we analyse it, we are coming to the conclusion that I don't necessarily need any of the HP programs at all, aren't we.

I suppose my main concern is the HP utilities. Do I really need things like HP Tools, HP Support Assistant etc. For instance, will the laptop function OK without eg the HP Updates? As long as I install the Windows updates, do I really need HP Updates - whatever they are?
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22 Sep 2010   #45
madtownidiot

 

I make a good portion of my income reconfiguring and reselling tweaked laptops that are less than a year old, mainly from HP, Dell and Lenovo. HP support assistant is factory installed spyware.. constantly phones home with all kinds of data about usage whenever you're on the internet

Your laptop will work fine without any of the HP apps and you don't need the support assistant to get updated drivers.. just type go to support.hp.com to get anything that isn't included with windows update (although if you have a fingerprint reader that you want to use, you should install the software for it before going to windows update. You'll need to know the exact model number from the sticker on the bottom of your laptop (there are dozens of version of a Pavilion DV-5 for example) I usually get the drivers and ignore the applications that come with them, unless you have to download the application to get the driver, in which case, I look elsewhere

as for video editing and music ripping and burning, those are best done in linux ultimate edition with the ubuntu studio packages installed... all kinds of useful stuff there
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23 Sep 2010   #46
Marrea

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by madtownidiot View Post
HP support assistant is factory installed spyware.. constantly phones home with all kinds of data about usage whenever you're on the internet
If that is really true, it is extremely worrying.

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Your laptop will work fine without any of the HP apps and you don't need the support assistant to get updated drivers..
One driver I am concerned about is the AMD SATA Controller, the details of which are given in Device Manager as:

Provider: AMD
Date: 07/10/2009
Version: 1.2.0.164

I am wondering whether this particular driver is vital for the correct operation of the machine? It sounds pretty important.

I can’t find it among the drivers available for download for my particular laptop on the HP Support site. And when I installed drivermax (http://www.innovative-sol.com/drivermax), although it listed it along with 77 other devices, when I tried to back them all up and copy to an external USB hard drive it threw up an error saying it was “unable to locate” the AMD SATA Controller driver.

So, do I need this driver following a fresh installation of Windows and, if so, why is it so elusive and seemingly impossible to get hold of a copy?
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23 Sep 2010   #47
madtownidiot

 

IMO Drivermax, Driver Detective and almost all other "driver finders" are questionable at best, and usually a worse alternative than just sticking with the generic drivers that come with windows. Third party driver websites are also usually unreliable. If you can't find it listed in the HP website try a slightly higher laptop model number as most larger computer manufacturers will provide links to the drivers for certain model numbers, but not others, even though they have identical components.
Failing that, go directly to the hardware manufacturers' site... or paste the hardware ID as listed in properties into a Google search and look for links to either hp.com or the specific hardware manufacturer... but don't click any other links if you use that method because almost all of them are bogus and usually a good place to end up with malware.
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23 Sep 2010   #48
gregrocker

 

SATA controller is part of the chipset, so just make sure you have the latest chipset from HP Support Downloads webpage for your model.

Drivermax is from the XPired era and is no longer necessary with WIn7 as MS spent a fortune getting the drivers into the installer or quickly available via optional Windows Updates.

Only if there are performance issues should you change out the installed drivers, starting with chipset and display.
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23 Sep 2010   #49
Marrea

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
SATA controller is part of the chipset, so just make sure you have the latest chipset from HP Support Downloads webpage for your model.
Many thanks for the clarification, gregrocker. I wasn't aware of that, but I'm still not sure where to find it. Can't see anything about chipset on the driver download page for my model, which is a G62-a18SA (XC302EA#ABU), Windows 7 64-bit. Later Edit: on the specification sheet for the laptop the chipset is stated to be an AMD RS880M, if that helps.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker
Drivermax is from the XPired era and is no longer necessary with WIn7 as MS spent a fortune getting the drivers into the installer or quickly available via optional Windows Updates.
I only downloaded it after reading the following excerpt in an article entitled "Windows 8 wish list" in PC Pro, November 2010 (UK magazine):

"One of the most irritating things about wiping your OS and starting from scratch is the reinstallation of all your drivers. While Windows Update does a reasonable job of hunting down common drivers, you're all too often left hunting round for discs or downloads to get all your printers/cameras/MP3 players/graphics cards and so on back to full working order. An online driver locker, where you can save a backup of your drivers and reinstall them once you've wiped the OS, would be a winner.

How to get it now DriverMax does a good job of packaging up all your drivers into one folder, which can be restored in bulk after you've wiped the OS. But you'll still need to manually save the folder to a USB drive or online backup service before hitting the nuclear button."

So it sounded like a fairly useful application.


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Only if there are performance issues should you change out the installed drivers, starting with chipset and display.
That was never my intention! I thought the idea of drivermax was that it simply gathered together all your existing installed drivers, not replaced them with others.
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23 Sep 2010   #50
gregrocker

 

I used it in XP and Vista and it worked OK with several obvious blunders. I just don't think it's needed any longer, however others may.

Edit: I just used DriverMax for the first time in 2-3 years to find an elusive Display driver for a ten year old Dell laptop, which now provides Sleep/Hibernate and better resolution and is more stable than Standard VGA. So I will use it again if finding a driver defies Google.

The way the Support Downloads pages work, the last avail chipset for your install might be on the Vista 64 bit page. You can compare it to see if it is more recent. I would still go with installer/updates unless performance is at issue. Watch for repeat errors in Event Viewer and Performance log, but mainly judge by touch.

If you want to go ahead and try a newer chipset, set a restore point so you can easily roll back since it contains several drivers which are hard to pinpoint in Device Manager without working from the unzipped files' ReadMe list, and often not even then.

What's really valuable here is the learning, too, as you will now know more than 90% of users.
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