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Windows 7: Can't boot Windows without IDE present and Windows disc in drive.

20 Sep 2010   #1
Asterix68

 
Can't boot Windows without IDE present and Windows disc in drive.

Ok, my problem started when I installed my first Sata drive. I installed Windows Vista and had no problems other than it wouldn't boot without the original IDE drive. I noticed there was a bootsect file on the IDE. Removing the drive or the file resulted in a "insert system disk" message on boot. I left it as is because at least it still worked. I decided to do a dual boot with Windows 7 installed on a separate 1tb Sata. This time I removed the IDE, installed the new Sata and on powering up, the PC didn't recognise the Sata drives. Installing the IDE as master and installing my IDE CD-ROM drive was the only way to get the bios to see all drives. Windows 7 (original disc) install took ages to start and took ages to expand files. Once installed I had a dual boot and selecting either OS all goes well. Now, when I remove the Windows 7 disc I get the "insert system disk" message again. With the CD in, it goes to the "press any key to boot from CD" message, I do nothing and I get the dual boot option.

I understood all Windows versions after XP has SATA drivers so why isn't my SATA drives recognised unless there are IDE present? Needing the Windows CD in has puzzled me because it doesn't read anything off it in order to boot. I'm not interested in setting up RAID / mirror / striping etc. I just want a simple SATA setup that boots on its own. I want to remove all IDE drives.

I have 2 on board SATA controllers and 1 PCI SATA card with two ports. My Motherboard is a Foxconn P4M900-7MB.

Are you all scratching your heads?


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20 Sep 2010   #2
Bare Foot Kid
Microsoft MVP

W 7 64-bit Ultimate
 
 

Hello Asterix68, welcome to Seven Forums!





Will you please post a snip/screen-shot of the entire disk management drive map with a full description as to which drive is which, so we can see what you have going on as there may be a fairly simple way to resolve the situation.

In the Windows start menu right click computer and click manage, in the left pane of the "Computer Management" window that opens click disk management and post a snip of that.

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20 Sep 2010   #3
Asterix68

 

Hi, Bare Foot Kid, thanks for the quick reply. As you can see from the pic I need one IDE per SATA or the system won't boot. Obviously the smaller drives and one CD drive are the IDE ones. Drive (D) is the only one with a BOOTSECT.BAK file on it.

Cheers.


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20 Sep 2010   #4
Bare Foot Kid
Microsoft MVP

W 7 64-bit Ultimate
 
 

So using the partition letters what is on which partition, I can tell Windows 7 is C: and that is the one you are booted to, is Vista M:?


You had Vista installed and then instaled Windows 7 and now have a dual boot?
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20 Sep 2010   #5
Asterix68

 

Vista is the (F) drive, Windows 7 is on (C) drive. A dual boot and all drives are physical, no partitions.
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20 Sep 2010   #6
Bare Foot Kid
Microsoft MVP

W 7 64-bit Ultimate
 
 

Here's what I would do.


First, open an elevated command prompt in Windows 7 and mark both "Disk 0, partition 1" and "Disk 1, partition 1" as inactive (see my snip below for how) then in the same command window mark "Disk 3, partition 1" as active; then run the 3 separate startup repairs with the restarts described in this tutorial at the link below to make the Windows 7 partition an "System, Active" so that the boot files will be created to that partition; that should sort your issue.

Startup Repair - Run 3 Separate Times


Please feel free to post back with any questions you may have and to keep us informed as to your progress.
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20 Sep 2010   #7
Asterix68

 

Thanks for everything so far. I followed your advice exactly and here's what happened.

During the first startup repair, in the system recovery options it detected no drives. There is the load drivers option but not knowing what to look for or where to find them I just clicked next and did the repair. The second time both Windows installations were found, Windows 7 under drive F and Vista drive C (The opposite of my drive management pic). I selected F and did the repair. No problems were found but I still got the 'disk boot failure.....' so tried a third time. Again no problem found but still a disk boot failure. I've had to insert the Windows 7 disc in the IDE drive so I could get back here. Strange.

The other thing is, even if this fixed the problem I'd still have the same thing all over again should I re-install due to the IDE's having to be present right from the start.
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20 Sep 2010   #8
Bare Foot Kid
Microsoft MVP

W 7 64-bit Ultimate
 
 

Post another disk management snip please.
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20 Sep 2010   #9
Asterix68

 

Here it is again.


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20 Sep 2010   #10
Bare Foot Kid
Microsoft MVP

W 7 64-bit Ultimate
 
 

OK, as you can see M: is still "System, Active" that the issue, that's where the boot files are and there is no OS there; you still need to mark "Disk 0, partition 1" as inactive then run the 3 startup repairs.
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When you get to this dialog box DO NOT select Vista, you must select to repair the Windows 7 so that the repairs can be done to that partition, NOT VISTA and you must run it 3 separate times with a system restart between each repair.
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