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Windows 7: Safest Way to Clone Windows 7 Volume for Dual Booting

31 Oct 2010   #91
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Trailerman View Post
Sorry for the lack of response - was away walking in the Lakes the last 4 days.

Will digest the posts above and then decide how to proceed.

Greg - the reason I created an image and then restored was because this was the recommended course of action in a couple of posts. I also felt that breaking the operation down into 2 discreet stages (as opposed to a single cloning operation) increased the chance of success and at very least the ease with which reasons for failure could be diagnosed.

Night Hawk - I do listen, and I do read your posts. I don't always find them terribly easy to be follow, I have to confess, but I do read them, and I have taken all of you valuable input on board. I'll continue to do so as I try and resolve the current situation.

Jules
They won't be in the sense that any "project" other then simply restoring your main drive onto a replacement drive as far as setting up any dual boot will take finding out what works through trial and error. You'll have a few of those moments when something doesn't work if you decide to try any of that!

When cloning or restoring images there's never any 100% sure fire solution always guaranteed to work. One of the first images made with the full version of Acronis failed to restore the host drive here on one occasion where it had to see the 7 option's image restored. Fortunately one was made with that first.

It doesn't bring the drive signature along with it when creating an image of one drive for use on another making it the choice for seeing this type of dual boot. As far as the live cd recovery option that failed to even see the pair of Sata III drives installed along with the imaged stored them making that option obsolete.


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01 Nov 2010   #92
Trailerman

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
Is there a reason you won't try cloning using the Acronis cloning function?

Hi Greg

Can I just clarify what you're advising here?

I was under the impression that your previous advice was always to unplug the original drive when creating clones of OS partitions, in order to avoid the sacred original becoming compromised in any way.

Just so I'm clear, are you suggesting that I should actually clone direct from one drive to the other, which obvioulsy will mean I need both drives attached during the cloning process? I'm happy to give that a go, if that's what you're suggesting, but it seems to conflict with what I've been told previously.

Many thanks

Jules
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01 Nov 2010   #93
Trailerman

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
It doesn't bring the drive signature along with it when creating an image of one drive for use on another making it the choice for seeing this type of dual boot. As far as the live cd recovery option that failed to even see the pair of Sata III drives installed along with the imaged stored them making that option obsolete.
So, if I'm understanding correclty, if multiple OS volumes are going to be used in a dual boot situation, the disk signature should very definitely NOT be copied. Can you clarify if the MBR should be copied - I have an option in Acronis' image restore manager to a) restore the MBR to the destination patition, b) copy the disk signature and c) do both.

Many thanks

Jules
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01 Nov 2010   #94
Trailerman

 
 

I am currently in the process of copying the other partitions on my destination disk, onto a different drive, so I can wipe this drive and make sure no disk errors or other issues are in play.

Can anyone advise on the best way of wiping the disk and MBR on this drive (preferably without a low level format - last time I did this it took days) and then verifying there are no errors? Is it best to create one big partition and then run chkdsk?

After that I will retry restoring the backed up image of my source OS volume. If that fails I'll do a clean Win7 install and then retry restoring the backed up image. I'm assuming any image restore/clone operation I perform should be WITHOUT MBR or disk signatures being copied, but any confirmation of this would be helpful.

After that I will try and set up a dual boot, either using the F12 boot key or Wiindows7's dual boot capabilities, which worked fine a few weeks ago when I was dual booting between Windows7 and XP.

Jules
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01 Nov 2010   #95
mjf

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Trailerman View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
It doesn't bring the drive signature along with it when creating an image of one drive for use on another making it the choice for seeing this type of dual boot. As far as the live cd recovery option that failed to even see the pair of Sata III drives installed along with the imaged stored them making that option obsolete.
So, if I'm understanding correclty, if multiple OS volumes are going to be used in a dual boot situation, the disk signature should very definitely NOT be copied. Can you clarify if the MBR should be copied - I have an option in Acronis' image restore manager to a) restore the MBR to the destination patition, b) copy the disk signature and c) do both.

Many thanks

Jules
You should have seen this if you read the information I forwarded from Acronis documentation.
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01 Nov 2010   #96
Trailerman

 
 

Sorry MJF - you're absolutely right, I missed that reference.

I'm now wiping the destination disk and will try restoring without the disk signature.

Jules
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01 Nov 2010   #97
gregrocker

 

You can use the Win7 DVD to wipe the HD. Use Clean All command: SSD / HDD : Optimize for Windows Reinstallation

You can also use free Partition Wizard bootable CD Wipe function.,

Writing one set of zeroes takes about an hour per 320gb.
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01 Nov 2010   #98
Trailerman

 
 

Thanks Greg

Wiping and running chkdsk didn't solve the problem unfortunately. When I retried the image restore I still got 'Recover Opearation Failed' even though this time I wasn't restoring the MBR or disk signature.

I may now try the direct cloning route you suggested.

Jules
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01 Nov 2010   #99
gregrocker

 

I would use the auto setting unless you've got to make changes to partition sizes.

It will adjust everything proportionately to take HD size differences into account.

Works very well.

If not, then test the HD using maker's diag/repair full CD scan.
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01 Nov 2010   #100
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

You wouldn't have had any need to wipe the new drive by either a direct clone between the 200gb source drive and the new 500gb or restoring an image made of the first. For the option of creating an image of a drive you are replacing you would need the mbr/boot information as part of the package to insure the destination drive is bootable as a stand alone OS drive.

The advise I have to repeat is that of recommending a clean install on the new drive from the start keeping the 200gb online until the new one is situated the way you want it with all programs and settings back on. From there you create a new full system image in order to be able to restore the entire system in one shot if needed.

The option to create a second image with Acronis would be for duplication of the new 500gb clean install seen there. That would avoid trashing the 500gb drive's clean install overriding that due to the disk signature id the 7 option adds while Acronis apparently doesn't.

Remember the key phrase for any "test environment" I tried to emphasize was "do at your own risk" since there is no 100% sure fire method at work when considering a dual boot like this. This is why you first needed to see a full image of the new host drive made up first in case of any .....
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