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Windows 7: Safest Way to Clone Windows 7 Volume for Dual Booting

21 Oct 2010   #31
Bare Foot Kid
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If I were to setup a dual boot for extended use I would use the BIOS managed option.


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21 Oct 2010   #32
GeneO

Windows 10 Pro. EFI boot partition, full EFI boot
 
 

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When clicking the hard drive item you should be seeing a list of HDs when more then one installed. Or the bios used on that model board is limited as some have been found.

When looking at the dual boot guides here at SF you'll note that they point right to using the EasyBCD program which has seen extensive testing not only by those here but all over in fact. And when you run into limited boot options.... which always stinks of course that will simplify things once everything is set correctly.
Not for me, as I said - F12 presents just sata drive, no list of drives, or it would be a no brainer for me to do two independent boots. To get them I have to disable the other drive in the BIOS.

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21 Oct 2010   #33
mjf

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by GeneO View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
When clicking the hard drive item you should be seeing a list of HDs when more then one installed. Or the bios used on that model board is limited as some have been found.

When looking at the dual boot guides here at SF you'll note that they point right to using the EasyBCD program which has seen extensive testing not only by those here but all over in fact. And when you run into limited boot options.... which always stinks of course that will simplify things once everything is set correctly.
Not for me, as I said - F12 presents just sata drive, no list of drives, or it would be a no brainer for me to do two independent boots. To get them I have to disable the other drive in the BIOS.

My next computer will not be a DELL - I will build my own
Are you saying with your 2 WD sata drives plugged in F12 gives 1 sata drive boot option?
Does BIOS setup show the 2 sata drives?
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21 Oct 2010   #34
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Bare Foot Kid View Post
If I were to setup a dual boot for extended use I would use the BIOS managed option.
With any dual boot setups here unless only seeing a fast temp install both drives are set up as independently in order to see each made a stand alone bootable drive. Rather then missing the boot device menu when not able to hit the F key in time and the default Windows install starts loading the option to boot into the second drive's install is still right there.

Now as far as not seeing a list to choose which drive to boot from, GeneO, you first select the type of drive which should see a second screen or popup list of drives. This depends on which bios program is being used by the manufacturer. Award, Phoenix, AMI, or other.

Different makes of boards seeing Award for example will have the F8 drive up all drives on one main screen while another will see the list of catagories first. WHen selecting the hard drive item you should then see all hard drives listed if all are working, the data cables are good, and those are plugged in fully to show up at post or in the bios setup there as mjf pointed out.
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21 Oct 2010   #35
GeneO

Windows 10 Pro. EFI boot partition, full EFI boot
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mjf View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by GeneO View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
When clicking the hard drive item you should be seeing a list of HDs when more then one installed. Or the bios used on that model board is limited as some have been found.

When looking at the dual boot guides here at SF you'll note that they point right to using the EasyBCD program which has seen extensive testing not only by those here but all over in fact. And when you run into limited boot options.... which always stinks of course that will simplify things once everything is set correctly.
Not for me, as I said - F12 presents just sata drive, no list of drives, or it would be a no brainer for me to do two independent boots. To get them I have to disable the other drive in the BIOS.

My next computer will not be a DELL - I will build my own
Are you saying with your 2 WD sata drives plugged in F12 gives 1 sata drive boot option?
Does BIOS setup show the 2 sata drives?
Sigh, yes that is what I am saying and yes the bios shows two drives, and no there is no second pull down list that presents both of them - I already said this.

Both drives show up in the BIOS, but only onboard sata drive appears in the BIOS boot sequence menu. There is an entry for a add-on hard drive, but no device is recognized.

Since these are clones of each other, they have the same volume-ID, but that is a windows level not BIOS so I don't think that matters.

Probably just because it is a lobotomized DELL BIOS.
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21 Oct 2010   #36
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

A wimpy Dell anything is not any big surprize! It sounds like the bios they used is rather limited while most of us here are running custom cases.

It sounds like the boot menu we are referring to isn't really an options list for individual drives but only options to the default boot device. This is why programs like EasyBCD become an asset when you have no other options available.
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21 Oct 2010   #37
GeneO

Windows 10 Pro. EFI boot partition, full EFI boot
 
 

I think I understand now. The puter was designed to run Raid 0 or 1 off of the two SATA ports. So the BIOS is oriented around that even though I am using them as separate drives.

I have an SATA / ESATA PCI-e card with a free port that support a higher UDMA mode than the on-board SATA anyhow. I will try moving my second drive to it. I expect it will show up in my boot selection window then.

Well I can edit the BCD without easy BCD, but that is not an independent moot - they both have the same bootmgr and same system disk.

Like I said in the next year I am building a custom case you snob

Well this has been fruitful - I didn't think of using that pci-e SATA port before.
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21 Oct 2010   #38
gregrocker

 

You should be able to convert the RAID to SATA in BIOS controller settings, or on the RAID pre-screen if it is there.
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21 Oct 2010   #39
mjf

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

I wonder if the OP got his problem sorted? Sigh - maybe not.
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21 Oct 2010   #40
GeneO

Windows 10 Pro. EFI boot partition, full EFI boot
 
 

So here are the results of my experiment. I hooked my second WD up to the SATA port on my PCI-E card and it appeared in the F12 boot selection menu and I could use it as the system disk to boot independently. The disk shows up as a SCSI disk and I loose the low acoustics BIOS setting as an unfortunate side effect.

But here was the whole purpose of this exercise - would my volume shadow copies be independent now and not cross-linked. The answer is NO. I started up VSS and enabled restore points for the second boot drive and the restore points from the other drive appear.

So, the only explanation I can think of is that VSS uses the disk signatures and not the logical drives letters. So when you clone, the signature of the disk you cloned becomes the signature used by VSS in the disk/system you cloned to. I don't think there is any way to undo it. Everything LOOKED normal in VSSADMIN, but I guess it would.

Anyhow, I guess the lesson is that cloned dual boots can be trouble - you may need to disable VSS on one of the systems if you run with both mounted.

- Gene
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