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Windows 7: how hard is it to "Move" install to another hdd?

27 Dec 2010   #21
gregrocker

 

If you read just below the choice for "Manual" it explains it allows you to repartition and transfer only what you want at the same time.

However I haven't used Manual mode yet, so it would be good to hear back how well it works.

In this case, it might even allow OP to clone only his OS partition to the entire SSD or at least into first position as desired. Then I'd try a second cloning operation to move the data partition to space created on the separate HD using Manual mode or pre-shrunk using Disk Mgmt or Partition Wizard CD.


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27 Dec 2010   #22
DirtyElf

Windows 7 64-bit Home
 
 

it seems like i will need to use the manual clone to move only my OS partition to the SSD (the whole 1tb drive wont fit on my 120 gb ssd)

then boot to the ssd, and use acronis to repartition the old drive

i am not with my computer now, im trying to get the process down for when i get back
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27 Dec 2010   #23
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DirtyElf View Post
it seems like i will need to use the manual clone to move only my OS partition to the SSD (the whole 1tb drive wont fit on my 120 gb ssd)

then boot to the ssd, and use acronis to repartition the old drive

i am not with my computer now, im trying to get the process down for when i get back
I am afraid it is slightly more complicated. If you move your OS with an image, you have to:

1. Align the SSD and define a partition
2. Make sure your data fits on the SSD
3. Shrink your current OS partition to equal or less than the SSD size (for some imaging programs)
4. Rebuild the MBR if your current configuration has the 100MB active partition
5. Mark the new partition on the SSD as active
6. Change the BIOS boot sequence (if you have the old system still in the box)
7. Disconnect all HDDs when you put the image on the SSD

I may have forgotten a few things. But if you want to make your life easy, use this program. I used it a couple of days ago to see how it works, and it works perfectly without any prior preperations plus it is a piece of cake to operate.
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27 Dec 2010   #24
DirtyElf

Windows 7 64-bit Home
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DirtyElf View Post
it seems like i will need to use the manual clone to move only my OS partition to the SSD (the whole 1tb drive wont fit on my 120 gb ssd)

then boot to the ssd, and use acronis to repartition the old drive

i am not with my computer now, im trying to get the process down for when i get back
I am afraid it is slightly more complicated. If you move your OS with an image, you have to:

1. Align the SSD and define a partition this is pretty simple, just plug it in and create a partition
2. Make sure your data fits on the SSD my current os drive "partition" is 100gb, my ssd is 120 gb
3. Shrink your current OS partition to equal or less than the SSD size (for some imaging programs) see above
4. Rebuild the MBR if your current configuration has the 100MB active partition i dont believe it does.. will have to double check.. i have a win7 dvd
5. Mark the new partition on the SSD as active that seems pretty simple
6. Change the BIOS boot sequence (if you have the old system still in the box) i can definitely do that
7. Disconnect all HDDs when you put the image on the SSD if i disconnect all other hdds where will the image come from?

I may have forgotten a few things. But if you want to make your life easy, use this program. I used it a couple of days ago to see how it works, and it works perfectly without any prior preperations plus it is a piece of cake to operate.
was that process described using acronis? i thought i was going to "clone" my hd? is "clone" the same as "image" ?
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27 Dec 2010   #25
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Clone is not the same as image, but sometimes the terms are used for the same thing. I do not knowhow Acronis cloning works.
Regarding the HDD disconnect - I was referring to interal disks and assumed the image/clone was on an external disk. The rest you seem to have under control - good luck.
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27 Dec 2010   #26
gregrocker

 

It is all covered in the WD free Acronis Manual downloaded here: WD Support

I have cloned using this app from a larger HD partition to a smaller wiped HD, shrinking the source partition to fit the target as it cloned. It explained it clearly in the cloning section of the Manual.
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27 Dec 2010   #27
ignatzatsonic

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1, 64-bit
 
 

Here is a current thread by a member who used Acronis to clone his operating system from Drive A to Drive B. In his case, Drive B was not an SSD.

https://www.sevenforums.com/software/...g-acronis.html

He used the free Western Digital version of Acronis.

Note the choices he made in the process. His source drive had only 1 partition, but he mentions how he could have selected just the OS partition on a 2 partition system.

He chose to delete partitions on the target drive.


From a reading of various posts at the Acronis forum, it looks like the way to ensure proper alignment on an SSD is to first format it with Windows 7, not Acronis.

You can check the alignment on a partition this way:

Type msinfo32 in the start box and navigate to components > storage > disks. Locate the disk in question. Scroll down to "partition starting offset". It should be a number evenly divisible by 4096 and it should be 1,048, 576 bytes if formatted in Windows 7

I"m still searching, but it appears that if you want AHCI on the SSD, you should change to AHCI on the source drive before making the clone.

Apparently, alignment can be corrected after the fact with a Paragon tool and possibly others (Gparted?)
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28 Dec 2010   #28
DirtyElf

Windows 7 64-bit Home
 
 

now that i think about it, just reading the first couple lines of his post... wouldnt it be way easier to just install windows 7 fresh on the ssd and then plug the spinner back in?

ive only installed a handful of programs so far and could easily just reinstall them... it might be worth going through the trouble of cloning or imaging for practice but i dont really want any downtime if i can afford it

lets say i choose to go the fresh install route on the new ssd, what do i do with the windows partition on my old drive once i plug it back in? will i be able to point my favorites and folders to the locations i made on that drive the same way as i did before?

AHCI is already enabled on the current disk.



edit: ok and after reading that thread it seems like it would be pretty simple to just clone the drive with acronis.. save me the hassle of reinstalling drivers and isht again. what im not sure of is how to plug the old drive back in, will it still see that win7 partition as a bootable C: drive even though the new ssd will have a C: drive on it? how would that work?

edit 2: i just read through the acronis manual and from what i read i dont think it has the option to clone only one partition of a drive... it would let me change the sizes and move them and stuff, but i dont think i can just clone the one OS partition of my wd drive to my ssd... when i get back to my place and can get it installed i will report back here... if acronis cant do it, ill just use the windows 7 image backup method and try that
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28 Dec 2010   #29
ignatzatsonic

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1, 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DirtyElf View Post
wouldnt it be way easier to just install windows 7 fresh on the ssd and then plug the spinner back in?


what do i do with the windows partition on my old drive once i plug it back in?

will i be able to point my favorites and folders to the locations i made on that drive the same way as i did before?


what im not sure of is how to plug the old drive back in, will it still see that win7 partition as a bootable C: drive even though the new ssd will have a C: drive on it?
No one would ever even consider cloning or imaging if they thought it was just as easy to reinstall.

If you feel it's easier to reinstall, that's what you should do. I assumed you were interested in an alternative to a reinstall because of this thread's title.

If it wouldn't save you any time or effort, you'd be a fool to image or clone. What other motivation could there be?

You get back at your old drive by plugging it back in after you boot to the cloned drive and then you do whatever you want to do---delete its partitions or whatever.

If you clone a drive, your bookmarks and folders point to the same place they did previously. That's what a clone is.

The guy who actually did it says he could have cloned just one of his two partitions. I don't know if he is correct, but he's gone through the cloning process. I haven't.
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28 Dec 2010   #30
gregrocker

 

If you don't have that much invested already in your existing install, then by all means give your new SSD a clean reinstall with other HD's unplugged. SSD Alignment

If you have data from User folders on the data HD, when you plug it back follow these steps to link your User folders to the other HD: User Folders - Change Default Location

The Win7 installer is nearly driver-complete, with newer arriving quickly via optional Windows Updates so you really only need the NIC driver on a stick or CD to get online to optional Updates. I would also immediately set up auto-loading drivers for hardware: Automatically get recommended drivers and updates for your hardware

After that any drivers missing in Device Manager can be found on the Support Downloads webpage for your model computer or device. Driver Install - Device Manager

If you have Upgrade version and wipe the HD, skip inserting the key during install and do one of the workarounds given here for installing to a wiped HD: Clean Install with a Upgrade Windows 7 Version

If you install to wiped HD, the installer will issue a 100mb System Reserved boot partition which conveniently places the Repair Console (normally only on the DVD or Repair CD) on the F8 Advanced Boot Tools menu. So I would choose Custom Install and then Drive Options to partition as you wish and format: Clean Install Windows 7

Install updates and then programs slowly over time to gauge performance after each. Don't let any programs write themselves into msconfig>Startup as they slow startup, become freeloaders on your RAM/CPU and can spy on you. I only allow AV and gadgets. Startup Programs - Change

Use a lightweight free AV like MS Security Essentials which works perfectly with Windows 7 Firewall. http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/

When it is finished, clean and order the HD perfectly using state-of-the-art free CCleaner then Auslogics Disk and Registry defraggers monthly.
CCleaner - Free software downloads and software reviews - CNET Download.com
Auslogics Disk Defrag - Reviews and free Auslogics Disk Defrag downloads at Download.com
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Then save a Windows 7 Backup image externally so you never have to reinstall again, just reimage the HD or replacement using DVD or Repair CD. Backup Complete Computer - Create an Image Backup
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