Loading Win7 on two separate HDD drives, same computer.

Tepid · 02 Dec 2010

Glidercj said:

Thanx Gregrocker!,
While on the subject of OS. I have a new copy of XP Home SP3 of which I was going to use until I saw Win 7 was about to be released. So I ordered the Win 7 only to find out it was an upgrade. I wanted the full version so I waited until Win 7 was out. So now I have XP SP3 with an unused version of Win7 upgrade. If I wish to install it this way I would have the License key for the upgrade version and wouldn't fall into the issue of expiration. Can I manually transfer the data I wish to keep/archieve onto my additional (storage) HDD's - internal and external while using different OS's?
Each OS will see all the components installed on the machine but through the functioning OS of choice? Correct?

Glidercj

First I agree with Greg about startup garbage, and those apps.
The only way that I could forsee them conflicting is because some portion of both are running in the background. If you stop this activity, it is possible you will remedy the problem.

And,, the quote above is an extreme gray area.

Because, even though MS allows a full install using the Upgrade media, this is not entirely legal, however, they also don't seem to care (yet).

With that said, Because you have Upgrade media, if you are ok with running XP under one side and Windows 7 on the other, it would be possible to use your Win 7 Upgrade to install a full version of Windows 7 as well.

But, legally, if you install Win 7 Upgrade, you are technically not allowed to use Win XP any longer.

Again, that is an extremely gray area, which does not appear that MS actually care about.

Reason? XP is out and 7 is in. Eventually, XP will be the dinosaur (that some will continue to use like 98SE is still used, but should not be).

Anyway. Just some thoughts.

Glidercj · 02 Dec 2010

Okay I'll try this, I just hope it works. I'd hate to have to load all this stuff again.
Since you sound well versed in this OS let me ask one more question.
After I formated my "C" drive with the installation disc upon re-installation of 7 the software would not allow me to install the OS on that drive. I wanted to make sure the HD was clean and free of any corruption. I had to select another drive in order to complete the install.
I was reading a thread in a different area (of which I can longer locate)and it spoke of a similar situation where a gentleman could not do likewise. The article meantioned that there might be a loss of the sata drivers, and or other components missing from the HD? Does this sound correct. I thought this stuff was contained on the MoBo.

Glidercj

Glidercj · 02 Dec 2010

Greg - Tepid,

Thanx for the input regarding the start up! So I can remove/uncheck everything in start up except my AV and I do like the gadgets so I'll leave that alone. I do use a firewall (Zonealarm free) so I won't touch that either but everything else can go?

Glidercj

Tepid · 02 Dec 2010

Well, I will not air my own reservations of any 3rd party Firewall, other than they are mostly a waste of space.

But yes, Then you can go into Services and check the box at the bottom to Hide all Microsoft Services
Then if you want, post what is listed, if those apps are listed there that you are trying to use,, uncheck them there also,, they should not need services running either.

As for the drivers,, yes, you may need to have the drivers located on a usb drive or something to be able to have access to them during the install. Windows will not have all Sata drivers, so, if they are needed, you will need to provide them.

gregrocker · 02 Dec 2010

I would also not use ZoneAlarm when the Win7 firewall works perfectly with a lightweight, free and nearly invisible AV like MS Security Essentials or Avast 5.

Startup Programs - Change

I do not understand your question about the install failing to install upon the partition you created. If you used the installer to create your partitioning, then it issued a 100mb System Reserved partition which it will not allow you to install upon because it is too small and used for booting only. Is this what happened? What is the drive letter for your Win7 install? Post back a screenshot of your Disk Mgmt drive map if you are concerned - use Snipping Tool in Start Menu.

If you were concerned about corrupt or infected code, formatting doesn't do anything to overwrite ANY code, just the partition table. You need to wipe the HD to overwrite possibly infected or corrupt code: SSD / HDD : Optimize for Windows Reinstallation

Glidercj · 03 Dec 2010

Yes I use Free Avast (latest not sure if it's "5"). So I'll unistall the ZA firewall. The ZA win 7 version (free is a real pain anyway it keeps asking to upgrade) and enable the Win 7 firewall.
If I get a chance Friday I'll copy the contents and post the services list. I think you meant to "uncheck not check hide all MS Services? "(Then you can go into Services and check the box at the bottom to Hide all Microsoft Services. Then if you want, post what is listed, if those apps are listed there that you are trying to use,, uncheck them there also,, they should not need services running either.)"
The HD in question is a Seagate 500GB Barracuda, so I would have to go to the Seagte site and download the drives - drivers?

gregrocker · 03 Dec 2010

There are no drivers on Seagate site, just firmware which rarely applies except in older drives. The driver in question is the chipset's SATA controller driver, which are almost all provided by the Win7 installer. If your HD is not shown during install, only then will you need to insert the SATA driver.

The steps are in the Change Startup Programs tutorial I've posted twice now.

Glidercj · 04 Dec 2010

Greg,
I did remove some files from the start up but I was running out of time. Yesterday I was coming off night shift and had to return today on day shift, not much time off yesterday.
I'm going to enter through "msconfig and view the start up list from there. I'm more familiar with format.

As for the drive issue, I can see and access the drive, seems to work just fine. This issue took place only during the re-install period. Since I don't remember exactly what it said during the install I can't tell you anymore than I have. I believe it is in Disc mgr (where one can partiton the drive) it states the drive is healthy. Also I don't have any data on the drive that I can't relocate or delete. What else can I do besides running scan disk to re-affirm the integraty of the drive and or look and fix any issue with it, if any?

This question isn't important so if you don't know off the top of your head please disregard. After uninstalling ZA Windows firewall took over immediately - that all fine and well. There will be a learning curve working with it as I have viewed the program. During which time I looked for an option to "stop all internet activity" like the option ZA had. Does Windows FW have this option? I used this on ZA when I was working on the computer but not online just as an added measure of security. This feature was to create an effect as being disconnected from the internet.

This one here I'm going to contact Epson regarding an issue with faxing from the computer through my new printer, Epson 835 Artisian. When I attempt to fax using the printer mode and selecting the Epson printer (fax) I get a message "can't find open port" when hitting the send button, yet I can print a word doc just fine. The unit's trouble shooting software checks and says all is connected and is in working order.
I tried to fax using the manual mode (bypassing the computer) and that works great. At one time it instructed me to reload the driver and I did but same issue pops up.
Once I have this straightened out I will proceed to loading my remaining video software and see if the is any issues with that.

Once again Greg, thanx for your time!

Glidercj

gregrocker · 04 Dec 2010

There is no need to disconnect from internet manually or using firewall that I am aware of.

I would check the Epson website to make sure you have installed the latest Win7 software for your all-in-one, as this is needed (more than just the driver supplied by Win7) for the auxilliary functions - although some will work from the rightclick context menu when you click on the unit in Devices and Printers.

I would run the HD maker's diag/repair full CD scan on your HD, followed by Disk Check
Hard Drive Diagnostics Tools and Utilities (Storage) - TACKtech Corp.

Glidercj · 04 Dec 2010

Thanx Greg I will look into this tonight.

Glidercj