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Windows 7: Recovery but no EMS

21 Dec 2010   #41
Microsoft MVP


This is the F8 Advanced Boot Tools menu I referred you to yesterday which you said wouldn't boot.

Repair Your Computer is the Win7 Repair console. Select it and see if it offers Asus Factory Recovery on the Menu.

If not, select Startup Repair and run up to 3 separate times with reboots to try to start Win7.

Startup Repair should automate System Restore but if not try running it from the Menu. Go back as far as necessary until Win7 starts.

If this fails, select Command Line and use Diskpart to mark Win7 partition Active then run the Repairs again. Partition - Mark as Active

If it still won't start, you can attempt to mark the Recovery partition Active to see if it will run using F9.

My System SpecsSystem Spec
21 Dec 2010   #42

Win 8 RP, Win 7, XP


MiniTool Partition Wizard Home Edition v5.2 is a free GUI tool that you can use to change partition types.

I don't know what type the partition 1 (the hidden 14,6 GB) has.


Now you can change the partition type - from the current hidden to unhidden same format e.g. -
hidden NTFS -> normal NTFS,
hidden FAT32 -> normal FAT32

Later in Disk Management you can assign a letter, e.g. Z:, to this partition.

Then explore the partition to see what files/folder there are.

If there is more than just 'winre.wim' and 'boot.sdi' in the root folder a boot menu entry can be created later to some "EMS-look-like" if there...
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21 Dec 2010   #43

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit

Before I try either of those suggestions, should I try writing the recovery ISO on to my portable hard drive and booting from that? Wouldn't that be the same as using a USB flash drive? Or does it need to be on the same hard drive if not booting form USB flash drive? I guess I don't see the difference in terms of accessing or booting from the drive. I'm willing to try that option before I possibly mess my computer up further :P
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21 Dec 2010   #44
Bare Foot Kid
Microsoft MVP

W 7 64-bit Ultimate

Is something like this what you're referring to, I haven't really been keeping up with this thread?

Install Windows 7 FAST without a DVD or USB device
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22 Dec 2010   #45

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1

I got a bit confused scanning the thread the boot.wim file referred to earlier is the wim image found in [Source] on the system repair disk or in c:\recovery, it's the winre.wim. If you want a system repair disk, download one.

If you are trying to do a factory recovery. A way which works on my ACER machine is:
1) Download Hirens Boot CD (12.0 latest version).
2) One of the things it provides at the end is a list of disks, their mbr, and their partitions.
3) For Acer, I select the partition representing the recovery partition & press boot!
Up pops the full factory recovery screen. Amazingly simple.

Edit: Note again no guarantees it will be that simple for your recovery partition for the Acer PC.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
22 Dec 2010   #46

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
You should be able to write the DVD ISO to a card. Just extract the ISO using Imgburn, write to card using UltraISO, boot it to Install. If not borrow or buy a 4gb flash stick.

Did you follow the steps given earlier for UltraISO: on File tab Open ISO, on Bootable tab Write Disk Image, Format card, then Write.

It sounds like you need to clean reinstall to overcome the problems you're having. Just follow the steps given in earlier post to get a perfect install: re-install windows 7

Keep us posted.
I followed your directions and I now have the supplied Windows Recovery DVD on my portable hard drive (formatted). I'll try booting tonight. Thanks
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22 Dec 2010   #47

Win 8 RP, Win 7, XP

I am not sure a bootable HDD can be created with UltraISO.

The Windows 7/Vista boot process uses the BCD - without a BCD (with the correct loader entries) the boot manager should be clueless and stop with some error message.

More than that, I am not sure UltraISO will create a '\boot' folder with all the needed files and place 'bootmgr' - Windows 7/Vista boot manager in the root folder of the active partition.

I am not sure UltraISO will place the needed MBR & PBR...

I am close to a simpler solution to the problem formulated by Bare Foot Kid:

"Install Windows 7 without DVD drive and USB drive"
(having a portable HDD and the 'factory' DVD media)
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22 Dec 2010   #48

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1

You appear to be jumping through hoops a bit.
Did you read my post above? What didn't you understand?
You can write the Hirens 12.0 boot CD to a USB flash drive.

I believe most recovery partitions are bootable. That is they contain a boot manager and a BCD store. There are a number of ways to boot into the recovery partition including

1) Function key press as per the manufacturers instructions. If it's F9 keep pressing tapping F9.
2) (Warning) Setting the factory recovery as active and mark the current system, active inactive and going in via the MBR. If it doesn't boot into the factory recovery partition straight away, you may need to run startup repair and the repair function one or more times to boot. But if this doesn't work you need to reverse the process to get back to your normal Windows 7 boot situation.(Warning) You need to be technically comfortable with this option.
3) By pass the MBR and boot directly into the recovery partition. It does not need to be touched, marked active etc. If it contains boot files it will boot. If it doesn't it simply won't boot.
The Hirens 12.0 bootable CD/USB lets you do this. It is automatically performing part of the booting function. Identify your recovery partition & choose the option to booting into it NOT the disk MBR because this will just boot your disk as per normal.

Then using your DVD factory recovery disks
4) Buy or borrow a USB DVD burner and use your recovery disks. You surely need a DVD burner anyway?

I would recommend options (1), (3), (4) in that order. Option (2) only if you feel technically comfortable.
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22 Dec 2010   #49

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit

Is it possible to boot from a shared dvd drive over network? Doesn't seem so but thought I'd still ask.

EDIT: Researched some more and looks like it's a big, fat NO.
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22 Dec 2010   #50

Win 8 RP, Win 7, XP

hi weiser701,

One possible solution to the problem - "get back to 'factory' install without DVD drive and without USB drive (solution on portable HDD using another computer)":

put on portable HDD the image of the DVD as .iso, prepare the portable HDD to boot the .iso


0. Format the portable HDD ( NTFS will do ) - only one partition needed.

1. Backup of all your documents - maybe the whole user directory/folder to SD.
(the unmoveable hard disk will be formated later in the installation step and new partitions will be created!)

2. On another Windows 7 machine (can be Vista, XP) WITH DVD DRIVE!:

2.1. create a file say 'ASUS.iso' on portable HDD which has the contents of the ASUS DVD - gregrocker has pointed in the thread earlier how this can be done.

2.2. put on portable HDD the needed 'bootmgr' + '\boot' folder + mbr and make an entry in the BCD for the .iso image -> this can be done with Windows 7 supplied command line tools and/or with the help of EasyBCD.

Here some basic steps of the Windows 7 boot process:
BIOS loads ->MBR(master boot record) loads ->PBR(partition boot record) loads ->bootmgr (uses BCD - boot configuration data) loads ->selected boot-menu option(=OS or recovery)

So for step 2.2.
2.2.1. create MBR & PBR = repair MBR specifying partition(drive letter)
2.2.2. re/create boot environment (bootmgr+\boot),
2.2.3. add entry in the BCD for loading .iso image (ASUS.iso created in step 2.1.)
step 2.2 can be done with EasyBCD (freeware) without going to command line.

You can go to EasyBCD manuals/tutorials and screens posted in this forum and try to find out how this can be done. You can download the tool and start it to get used to it. Just NO CONFORMATIONS without being 100% sure what you are doing.
Every 2.2.n. step is done on one screen selecting one or more choices and confirmation...

3. Get back to ASUS computer, boot the prepared portable HDD (= as if the ASUS DVD is booted) and follow the manual provided by ASUS for installing the 'factory' options.

The easiest solution is buy a 8 GB USB, put the 'ASUS' DVD to USB with 'Windows 7 USB DVD Download tool' (free from Microsoft) boot the USB and install.

Hope this helps.
(a message just popped up for a PM but my browser forbids pop-ups so I couldn't read it.)
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