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Windows 7: Bios Keeps changing boot order...

06 Jan 2011   #11
Mike Connor

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by theog View Post

Also you may a defective CMOS/ BIOS battery.
Yep, that's possible too. It would be consistent with the behaviour described. Good point.

Regards....Mike Connor


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08 Jan 2011   #12
Deltawar

Windows 7 Ultimate X64
 
 

I thought id give it a day or 2, to see what happens, and it always happens after a power down, but not restart.

I may have to switch the battery as a last resort, but whats the chances of the battery failing as soon as i upgrade the HDD's?
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08 Jan 2011   #13
theog

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Deltawar View Post
I thought id give it a day or 2, to see what happens, and it always happens after a power down, but not restart.

I may have to switch the battery as a last resort, but whats the chances of the battery failing as soon as i upgrade the HDD's?
Try reseating the battery.
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08 Jan 2011   #14
gregrocker

 

Did you try removing the RAID to see if Win7 will boot correctly?

You may still need to remove the RAID using the RAID controller which comes up on first boot screen, or by changing the SATA controller setting to AHCI or IDE mode.

But first try removing all other HD's to see how it performs, then add back the HD's one at a time without RAID.
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08 Jan 2011   #15
Mike Connor

Several, including Windows 7 x64 Ultimate
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Deltawar View Post
I thought id give it a day or 2, to see what happens, and it always happens after a power down, but not restart.

I may have to switch the battery as a last resort, but whats the chances of the battery failing as soon as i upgrade the HDD's?
The motherboard batteries rarely "fail" as such, ( one reason one tends to simply forget about them when troubleshooting! ) They simply run down over time and can no longer supply the power to keep the CMOS BIOS settings. They usually last at least three years, sometimes a lot longer. On many thousands of boards over the years I have only ever had three where the battery "Failed" in the sense that it became defective. But years ago the batteries were not quite as reliable as they are now in terms of quality and life expectancy.

Some boards allow a secondary BIOS on the Boot HDD which allows an immediate restore when the system boots. Of course it has to find the boot disk to do that!

The more I think about it, the more convinced I am that the battery is your problem. The symptoms are typical. I should have noticed that immediately. It used to happen quite a lot but only happens rarely now.

Regards....Mike Connor
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09 Jan 2011   #16
Deltawar

Windows 7 Ultimate X64
 
 

im not 100% convinced its the battery, as it does save settings like the time, and sometimes the boot order (as long as teh SSD IS NOT in the list.)

What its doing is..

on First boot cant find teh SSD and sees the RAID as bootable and attempts to boot from that, and in doing so gets bootmgr is missing..

so i press ctrl+alt+del

then it finds the SSD on reboot and boots the OS.

When trying to use startup repair, it labelled my C LOCAL Disk as F Local

Then i tried it again unplugging all other HDD's and it labelled it D Local, yet still not C.


Is the only way to make the RAID not bootable to delete it?

I originally wanted to remove it before setting up the new system, but ive since copied about 700GB of data to it, which would mean copying it back over to another drive, as am i correct that by destroying the RAID WILL destroy the data?


sorry for all teh questions and thanks again.



EDIT:----

Ive replaced the cmos battery, and problem persists .
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09 Jan 2011   #17
gregrocker

 

Is the SSD set as first to boot in BIOS setup?

If you'll post back a screenshot of your full Disk Mgmt drive map with all drives plugged, we can try to help you make the RAID unbootable since you seem to want to keep it. Use Snipping Tool in Start Menu, attach file with paper clip in reply box.
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10 Jan 2011   #18
Deltawar

Windows 7 Ultimate X64
 
 

It has a 14GB recovery partition that i cant delete also.

It doesnt detect it when i first boot up, only after i ctrl alt del from bootmgr is missing, then if i enter bios it deects the SSD.


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10 Jan 2011   #19
gregrocker

 

It's almost certainly due to having the mix of RAID with SATA drives settings.

What was the reason you wanted RAID for all of that data in the first place?

I would not have set up RAID as it is dated technology that offers no performance advantage and loses all of your data if one HD dies. This defeats the whole purpose of redundancy. Win7 has built-in drive imaging to save backup to another HD, and you can automate the Backup to include files.

How is the RAID set up here? Do you have a card or is it an onboard setting which can be set separately for each port? I would copy off my data then set the other HD's to run in AHCI mode so they can benefit from hot-plugging.

You can also run Startup Repair from the DVD Repair console or Repair CD to see if it will repair the SSD startup. Ignore the drive letters. I see no other System active, although you could mark D Inactive first to be sure: Partition - Mark as Active
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10 Jan 2011   #20
Deltawar

Windows 7 Ultimate X64
 
 

I Didnt set it up myself, The pc came from sony like that, and im guessing its onboard.

The BIOS, has no RAID/AHCI/IDE settings, the only setting i can set in the bios is: VIEW RAID INFO [SHOW] [HIDE]
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