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Windows 7: What's the next generation install media?

22 Jun 2009   #11
nate42nd

Windows 7 Professional x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by antalgebra View Post
Win7 will be sold on USB thumb drives.
When it's first released or later? I have not heard this although it would not surprise me. Thanks for the info.


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22 Jun 2009   #12
ccatlett1984

 

i really doubt it, unless the drives are read-only (not physically possible to be written to), or it would be way to easy for someone to alter the install media. Copying and pasting is much simpler than having to make an iso, edit the iso and then re-burn it to disc.

Let alone the price of media, dvd's cost pennies each to press, whereas even in bulk i dont see a 4gb drive going for less than $3 (US). Blue-ray or some other optical media will be the future install media, due to cost of mass production.
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22 Jun 2009   #13
Dark Nova Gamer

Windows 7 Ultimate, OS X 10.7, Ubuntu 11.04
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ccatlett1984 View Post
i really doubt it, unless the drives are read-only (not physically possible to be written to), or it would be way to easy for someone to alter the install media. Copying and pasting is much simpler than having to make an iso, edit the iso and then re-burn it to disc.
Even with read only you can still copy can't you? or is that considered 'write' ?
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22 Jun 2009   #14
ccatlett1984

 

there are ways to make it a royal pain to copy the data off.
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22 Jun 2009   #15
misterck

Dual Boot : Windows 7 7264 X64/Windows Vista Ultimate
 
 

cant u already purchase xp and vista on usb sticks? or am i just seeing the hacked versions called usb editions cause people have made them to install from usb sticks?
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22 Jun 2009   #16
Dark Nova Gamer

Windows 7 Ultimate, OS X 10.7, Ubuntu 11.04
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by misterck View Post
cant u already purchase xp and vista on usb sticks? or am i just seeing the hacked versions called usb editions cause people have made them to install from usb sticks?
USB versions from MS, those do not exist. Though people have made versions on USB Sticks and sold them at a slightly higher price then a retail version (DVD) of Windows.

Its not all that hard to do, I believe all you have to do is copy the files that are inside the ISO, to a flash drive? Correct?

Plus you need a computer that has the 'boot from USB Device' option within the BIOS. =P
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22 Jun 2009   #17
jw12345

Windows 7
 
 

Read-only flash media mass produced is only a few bucks. It would also save a lot of shipping and retail space concerns. The price is so low compared to the cost of Windows itself it's trivial.

I don't think blu-ray will ever be the format simply because we have so many years left before we ever fill a dual-layer DVD with the installation files. By time the OS install files passed the ~9GB barrier, it'd be 6-8 years from now, and by then, disk drives in notebooks (and even some desktops) would be relatively rare and flash media will have dropped to the price of DVDs now.
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23 Jun 2009   #18
ciphernemo

Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit RTM
 
 

As much as we'd like to dream of installers distributed and sold on flash devices such as thumb drives, SD cards, etc., that isn't going to happen any time soon.

Optical drives will be around for quite some time because the formats are evolving and it's cheap, easy, and fast to stamp out DVD after DVD. Distributing electronics to install software is still too expensive, even with how cheap flash memory is now. The manufacturing processes are all in place for churning out optical media, and upgrading those any time soon isn't worth it.

The new format would obviously be Blu-ray discs. They won out the format war a while ago (even though I would have been happier to have HD-DVD win). But there's no incentive/motive for developers to release on Blu-ray until they reach storage limits on DVDs for possibly up to 3 discs (14-16GB or more depending on stamp process and file system). Right now, DVDs still rule as the primary medium for operating systems because downloading isn't a feasible option on a new PC with no O/S.

So although we'd all love to see installers on flash, I don't think we'll ever get that dream. If and when flash memory ever becomes cheaper than stamping optical discs, we'll probably have better/cheaper media genres out there.
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23 Jun 2009   #19
fseal

Windows 7 x64 Ultimate
 
 

Yeah, the switch over from CD to DVD as a distribution media was WOEFULLY slow

Wasn't untill installs reached 5-6 CDs before DVD became the norm for some things. And I STILL have a brand new (Released in the last few months) flight sim that is distributed in a 4 CDs box. Presumebly because there are still a significant number of people with only CDRs in their machines.
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23 Jun 2009   #20
ciphernemo

Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit RTM
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by fseal View Post
Wasn't untill installs reached 5-6 CDs before DVD became the norm for some things. And I STILL have a brand new (Released in the last few months) flight sim that is distributed in a 4 CDs box. Presumebly because there are still a significant number of people with only CDRs in their machines.
Yup, that's usually the way it goes. Even before that, I remember buying the old King's Quest IV from Sierra for DOS. It came on something like 7 floppies, lol. It was far too long between floppy and CD distribution, even longer (but still slow and not complete) to go from CDs to DVDs, so I suspect to go from DVDs to Blu-Ray will be even longer, let alone any other media format.
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