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24 Jun 2009 | #51 |
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I think the Future installation media is Flash Drives. But then again, People seem so persistent on keeping this Old Optical Disc Technology. (For the record, Yes, I hate Blu-Ray, Talk about a Old Tech trying to make it in a Download/Stream era)
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24 Jun 2009 | #52 |
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In my opinion, blu-ray is only good for movies.
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24 Jun 2009 | #53 |
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25 Jun 2009 | #55 |
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holo88, ROFLOL at the VHS install media. Nice!
![]() Why do I have to build them myself, you ask? cuz. Im a lowly paid dev at microsoft that can't afford to by these 'regular' ones you speak of.
my next blu-ray player. thats right, I can't even afford that player that's retailed at $109 thats is no longer supported by LG. (why? becuase supporting it costs them BILLIONS of dollars in shipping, replacements, and lawsuits. good luck to anyone that doesent want to buy it new. How much new? that's right. 189.99 plus tax at fry's electronics. Why fry's? cuz I can return it if it doesent work. Your 89 dollar drive is really 300. becuase even if the drive does come (eventually) it wont work for very long, and your going to get sick of it not putting out to your 7.1 sound setup, and be thinking of what 'antalgebra' told you about what NOT to buy, and then going out and getting a new one for... $189.99? ![]() It required it's consumer to purchase a $1200 PC, (if it came with xp, then a $150 vista OS), a $300 monitor, a $60+ pair of speakers, and always be connected to $50/mo cable internet to get updates (or else!! ever try to install the SP0 out of box without updates? oh yeah, your in for a treat!) that's not even including the nicities, like Office, games, etc, whats a computer without programs? nothing (almost). and that's STARTUP costs. not including anything after the fact. Where am I going with this? everybody hated it. it sucked. nobody could afford the boxes it was designed to run on, and everyone was quite content with xp, not seeing a single need to move forward except as an excuse to buy another PC.
And guess what? All of these similar value systems designed for Vista come with a DVD optical drive. ![]() If a democrat is elected to office in 2012, we will have a federal funded wireless program that will end up costing taxpayers roughly 20 cents per person for 100% nationwide wireless coverage at a decent speed.
If a Republican get's elected we will see Comcast merge with T-Mobile to create a private wireless network available at $50/mo, and will provide a HUGE boost to the economies and markets that are associated with it. Bluray burner = $199.99 to consumer; roughly $2,000,000 setup for MFG
DVD burner = $29.99; roughly $2,000 setup for MFG CD burner = swap meet; roghly $2,000 setup for MFG (yup, near same) USB reader = swap meet/trash can back of grannies puter; roughly $40 bucks for MFG. ![]() The medium will only change to Blu-ray when production costs of multiple DVDs grow greater than production costs of the same software on the number of Blu-Ray discs needs for the same software. And there is no manufacturing costs involved in continuing with DVDs. Apparently you're lost on the concepts of mass-producing and distributing installation media. Most smaller companies will contract this through third-party media distribution companies who already have the manufacturing processes in place. Some larger companies might own their own media distribution plants/processes. Point is: it will cost less to convert a DVD producing facility into a Blu-Ray producing facility because the physical properties of the medium are very similar. Moving over to flash memory means everything has to be redone, all assembly lines will drastically change, and the process itself is different. From an article in April of 2009 (Panasonic Talks Blu-ray), about as recent as you can get for theses things: Quote:
Q: Do you believe that the Blu-ray will be the successor of the DVD in the PC segment? Are the flash memory solutions 'threatening' Blu-ray?
A: Both drive cost and media cost are important factors to succeed in the PC segment. It is obvious that Blu-ray would be the successor of DVD when the drive cost becomes affordable in the future. NAND flash memory has following features different from optical disc: (1) reasonable cost, (2) small dimension, (3) vibration resistance, (4) capacity. This NAND flash memory has the different roll and application regarding the previously indicated features. From the aspect of high capacity, media distribution and archive use, optical media have the advantage. ![]() In the end, you made a CHOICE to buy a system without an optical drive. There's nothing evil about optical drives, and you can always get a cheap external one that connects via USB. And actually consumers are not the people driving the trends for media distribution channels. 'Business to business' and 'Business to organization' models affect this more than consumers do. Even when you get Windows pre-installed on a pre-built PC, that media distribution process was a 'Business to business' model because Microsoft was working directly with Dell, Acer, HP, etc., and that PC manufacturer is going to be using their own means of installing images, etc., that is going to vary from other manufacturer to another. |
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25 Jun 2009 | #56 |
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First, I Im NOT talking drives. Im talking a regular blu-ray player/upconverting DVD player for your TV at a local retail store, since most of us aren't comfortable purchasing over the internet, and would much rather have the ability to walk in and return if necessary. I know I jumped around a bit, but the prices are solid.
I just had to return a 1TB drive, and it cost me $32 to ship it back for warrenty (return reciept/sign request, MANDATORY). 1/3 of the price of the drive. Same thing here. I'm tired of purchasing over the internet, and having to return for warrenty, all this was discussed in detail because I knew you were going to come back with that. All numbers here are factual and current. second, I was quoting "When Vista came out" for machines it was DESIGNED for. not an e-machine. Im sitting here in a burn lab, watching DVD's get burned with media. I'm not sure how much more 'conceptual' I can get with mass producing DVD's. And the thing about USB media? no burn lab needed. were all sitting on the equipment needed to write to them, nothing more. As for manufacturing, it's in place and will grow, and get cheaper with demand. And yes, the 'swap meet' does come into play, since the needed hardware to run a usb lies in junk boxes everywhere. So here's my question, if you use all open software, what backing do you have to predict how people that do purchase software lies?? You dont even do it yourself?? My distribution prices/costs were based on a business-to-business-about to go to another business expense sheet. Also, please dont try to reduce the integrity of my PC-cost numbers of when Vista came out. has nothing to do with today's. i chose my words carefully here, again, in anticipation with that exact rebuttle. "somtimes this needs to be done" NOT "this needed to be done" At this point, your just trying to poke holes. Sorry to be mean, but I see no validity to any of the arguments above. |
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25 Jun 2009 | #57 |
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Just need to say this, this thread is fun to watch. :)
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25 Jun 2009 | #58 |
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Is this an argument? there too much to read....
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25 Jun 2009 | #59 |
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I'm curious how MS is expecting netbook owners to upgrade except by downloading Windows (fat chance for most who don't even realize how this works). They were claiming they are using the basic versions to upsell to home premium, but I just don't see that happening. There will likely be $200 netbooks this Xmas. Does MS expect people to spend 100% of the purchase price to get an install disk and media reader?
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25 Jun 2009 | #60 |
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![]() Im sitting here in a burn lab, watching DVD's get burned with media. I'm not sure how much more 'conceptual' I can get with mass producing DVD's.
And the thing about USB media? no burn lab needed. were all sitting on the equipment needed to write to them, nothing more. As for manufacturing, it's in place and will grow, and get cheaper with demand. If you don't believe me, here's one reference out of thousands out there: How Would You Like Your Video CD Done? Burned or Stamped? Fact: There are no mass production facilities in place to copy developers' software on flash memory that come anywhere near the volumes they do with optical discs. Flash memory manufacturers have their own prcoesses and production facilities set up for their own hardware, but there is currently no market for it, so it doesn't exist as a service for large software developers. Opinion: And if you went the PC approach to have people do their own copies, it would take far too many man hours with a high rate of errors for it to be profitable. Therefore, I don't see this happening any time in the future. Chances are, some other media will replace optical discs before something like flash memory would even have a chance at entering the media distriubtion world. ![]() |
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