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Windows 7: Windows 7 after clean install takes up 183gb of space? Whaaaa?

01 Mar 2011   #11
GratefulDean

Windows 7 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Bare Foot Kid View Post
Hello Dean.


Here's the best way to get a real clean install.
BFK FTW!!!! Deep thanks my friend.

The directions you put forth are excellent , for my skill level though, the process is what I call a “Pucker Factor- 10” (death is immanent) , so I ask for a little clarification before I dive into this.

1) What is the purpose of the system reserved space, is it necessary and will it be shared between Ubuntu and Win7. Even if it is only necessary in a few rare instances I would rather have it.

2) I assume the commands entered after DISKPART> are the ones I would be entering and those lines without anything preceding are from the system?
2a) So in step 2, #2 (2.2) after I have entered; create partition primary size=200 and the system has responded Diskpart succeeded in creating the specified partition, I then have to format and name (label) said partition with the following command > format fs=ntfs label=”System Reserved”?
2b) The active command makes the partition active and usable and is required. What would happen if this was left out?
2c) Same questions apply for the Windows 7 partition.
3) As I stated in the OP my ultimate goal is to dual boot this system with Ubuntu. I think this is a good time to address this. Based on what I have learned thus far a good way to do this is set up an ext4 partition for Ubuntu at +/-10gb, a 4gb ext4(?) partition for Swap, an ntfs partition for Win7 at 35gb, then leave the rest (ntfs) for shared data which I may format via Disk Management in Win7 (see 3b). I understand I’m biting off a lot but I am enjoying the pain process, and I think it’s important to learn and understand this stuff. That being the case:
3a) After I set up the Win7 partion in diskpart I then, at the next command line, enter what I need as primary partition primary size=10240 then format fs=ext4 label=”Ubuntu” then active then when that is done enter primary partition primary size=4096 then format fs=ext4 label=”Swap” then active? Is my math right there?
3b) For the remainder of the drive do I need to do the math or is there a command to format it as ntfs and active so I don’t have to go into Disk Management? Local Disk (C) properties show it at 297gb but I recall it was a 320gb. Is the system hiding space for some reason?
3c) If I leave the remainder alone will it not be seen because it hasn't been set as active during this process?
3d) Am I limited to 4 partitions on a drive? If so I will drop the swap if I can. If not, I will be sad.
4) Now here is where we I take really advantage of your kindness and go beyond your original response- For the partition wherein I hope to set common data will Win7 know to look there for my Documents and Libraries or will I have to manually place the data there each time. Rather, can I tell Windows to put the Libraries and Downloads in that partition so when I drag and drop files to the Libraries icon in the sidebar or down load off the internets that is where it will automatically go?. And when I click on the Libraries and/or Downloads icon in the sidebar that data partition is what will open up? Where can I set that up?

In closing:
As I understand it the Ubuntu installer gives the option to set up partitions but I think the easiest and most efficient way to do this is via your solution. A million thanks for the effort you have put in to lay out these processes. I hope I have made this clear enough to minimize any further back and forth. I also hope this follow up doesn’t cause too much consternation on your part. A little consternation, though, is healthy.

Thanks again,
Dean


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01 Mar 2011   #12
Bare Foot Kid
Microsoft MVP

W 7 64-bit Ultimate
 
 

Let's put all that aside for a second and deal with dual booting Windows and Linux, it is best done on separate HDDs so there will be no Grub (boot loader) issues between the 2, do you have a second HDD to do this?

Only a single partition is marked as Active as that is the flag that identifies where to create the Windows boot files.

information   Information

Using separate Hard Disk Drives to dual boot is the preferred method to dual boot between separate Operating Systems, this way the OSs aren't dependent on each other for the boot files needed to start Windows / Linux making it very easy to remove one or the other OS/HDD without boot issues.

Power down the PC and disconnect the Windows 7 HDD data cable from the motherboard and leave it disconnected for the installation process, set the 'new' HDD as first boot device after the DVD/CD drive, when Linux is booting good on the second HDD, power down and reconnect the other HDD data cable to the mobo and restart the PC to set the preferred OS/HDD as first boot device in the BIOS, then you can use the BIOS one-time boot menu for your specific PC / mobo to select the other OS/HDD to boot when needed.

  • Asus - F8
  • HP/Compaq - Esc
  • Sony - F2
  • Acer – F12
  • Gateway - F10
  • eMachnes - F10
  • Gigabyte – F12
  • Toshiba - F12
  • Dell - F12
  • IBM/Lenovo - the blue Thinkvantage button

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01 Mar 2011   #13
GratefulDean

Windows 7 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Bare Foot Kid View Post
Let's put all that aside for a second and deal with dual booting Windows and Linux, it is best done on separate HDDs so there will be no Grub (boot loader) issues between the 2, do you have a second HDD to do this?

Only a single partition is marked as Active as that is the flag that identifies where to create the Windows boot files.
Thanks for getting back so quickly.

This will be done on a laptop with no additional HDD's available. Concerning the Grub, I am aware of this possible problem but know it has been done successfully without issue. If Win7 is installed first with Ubuntu installed later, according to the fine folks over at the Ubuntu Forums (link to my thread regarding this), and via other Ubuntu resources, there is not a problem with a Grub conflict if the installation is done correctly.

My reasons for going forward with this process is, not only to have Ubuntu on my system, but also to learn the inner working of my computer. I rebuilt the engine in my last car, which was really a POS, just so I can have a better understanding of what made it tick. The experience was invaluable. Further, my wanting to get into Linux is so that I can play around with the OS. I understand I am taking a chance with this but one must push out the darker edges of what we understand to quell the fear, as it were.

Trust me, I'm super nervous about this process but am enjoying it knowing at the other end lies knowledge. I love knowledge.

So... Where were we...

The Ubuntu installer allows for setting partitions for Ubuntu so I can set up my System Reserved partition at 200mb and then give Windows the remainder of the disk then have Ubuntu come in later to set up its partitions. But, and I've been told this is possible, I would like to have a single data partition for both. I want to live and work on both sides equally with out having to move things around after the fact.

Thanks again for your help,
Dean

PS. Maybe someday I can go from being a Thread Starter to a Thread Closer.
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01 Mar 2011   #14
Bare Foot Kid
Microsoft MVP

W 7 64-bit Ultimate
 
 

Have you seen this one?

Dual Boot Windows 7 and Ubuntu



Us the outline in Step Two #3 after the clean all to create the SysResv and mark that active only and then create the 100GB to install Windows 7 and leave the rest of the HDD as unallocated space for the Linux install.

Enter the commands in #3 exactly when setting up the 2 partitions for the Windows install.

SSD / HDD : Optimize for Windows Reinstallation

DISKPART : At PC Startup
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01 Mar 2011   #15
GratefulDean

Windows 7 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Bare Foot Kid View Post
Have you seen this one?

Dual Boot Windows 7 and Ubuntu



Us the outline in Step Two #3 after the clean all to create the SysResv and mark that active only and then create the 100GB to install Windows 7 and leave the rest of the HDD as unallocated space for the Linux install.

Enter the commands in #3 exactly when setting up the 2 partitions for the Windows install.

SSD / HDD : Optimize for Windows Reinstallation

DISKPART : At PC Startup
Thanks for the dual boot link.

I am assuming there is no common data partition. So, if my system is 300gb and I set 100gb for Windows that means, save for the 200mb System Reserve, I will be leaving 200gb for Linux? I'm not sure I'm ready for that kind of commitment. I mean, I've been been aware of Ubuntu for some time but aside from a brief two hour interlude last night I barely know the OS. Can I split it at 150gb?

Thanks again,
Dean
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01 Mar 2011   #16
Bare Foot Kid
Microsoft MVP

W 7 64-bit Ultimate
 
 

You're welcome, you can create any partitions you like after the Windows install completes.




Here' another option in Method One of this tutorial.

Partition / Extended : Logical Drives


Why don't you try Wubi first?

http://wubi.sourceforge.net/
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01 Mar 2011   #17
mickey megabyte

ultimate 64 sp1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by GratefulDean View Post
TL;DR Why is my C drive showing, after a clean install, that I have used over 180gb of space?
sorry to interrupt the thread, but one day, this could well be normal...or will the cloud come and 'save' us before windows gets that big?

...and by then, will they still call it c:???

who actually has an a: or a b: these days??

*sorry for the interruption - feel free to totally ignore this useless post*
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01 Mar 2011   #18
GratefulDean

Windows 7 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Bare Foot Kid View Post
You're welcome, you can create any partitions you like after the Windows install completes.




Here' another option in Method One of this tutorial.

Partition / Extended : Logical Drives


Why don't you try Wubi first?

Wubi - Ubuntu Installer for Windows
No, thank you!

I Did a Wubi install on top of Win 7 on this system last night. Loved it! That kind of lit the fire to see this process through.

So, does Win 7 need 100gb? What all, other than the OS and programs will go in that partition? I did the math on what I use and, including two rather large music programs I hope to buy sometime in the the future, I felt 35 gigs would be plenty for the programs.

Based on the idea of adding partitions later (thanks for the link too) I can add a common data partition?

Not to belabor the question but can I do a 35-50gb Windows partition, 10gb Linux then come back and make the rest for data?

Thanks,
Dean
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02 Mar 2011   #19
GratefulDean

Windows 7 64bit
 
 
I've gone in...

After reading, then re-reading, then re-re-reading all the various directions nigh ad infinitum I've decided to take the plunge.

The directions didn't elucidate exactly what to do about the large and rather hot stones that seem to have taken up residence in my gut. It's uncomfortable. As I said: "Pucker Factor 10"

I'm at the "disc clean" and as Bare Foot Kid said in his Optimize for Windows Re-installation tutorial, it is taking some time. According to windows I have 297gb, and according to Ubuntu 320gb, to clean. (Ubuntu is right BTW) I can't hear my HDD turning though which makes me nervous. Or maybe I never tried to listen to it before because it's so quiet. Or maybe I'm about as nervous as a cat in the dog run anyway.

Or maybe I'm just used to hearing the fan come on which happens often enough, especially when watching Flash video. Or maybe I'm used to hearing the DVD drive run which never happens until the last few days with all my "boots from disc".

I do hear something though and it's not the fan.

Anyway, I'll let you know how it goes.

Dean
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03 Mar 2011   #20
whiterazor

Windows 7 Ultimate x86
 
 

Check if there's a windows.old folder on your drive C. If there's one, that contains files from previous a Windows installation. You can delete it by running chkdsk through an elevated command prompt.
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